I hate the simulated intelligence nonsense at least as much as you, but you should probably know about this if you’re saying you can’t 3d print a house: https://youtu.be/vL2KoMNzGTo
Yeah I’ve seen that before and it’s basically what I’m talking about. Again, that’s not “printing a 3D house” as hype would lead one to believe. Is it extruding cement to build the walls around very carefully placed framing and heavily managed and coordinated by people and finished with plumbing, electrical, etc.
It’s cool that they can bring this huge piece of equipment to extrude cement to form some kind of wall. It’s a neat proof of concept. I personally wouldn’t want to live in a house that looked anything like or was constructed that way. Would you?
I mean, “to 3d print a wall” is a massive, bordering on disingenuous, understatement of what’s happening there. They’re replacing all of the construction work of framing and finishing all of the walls of the house, interior and exterior, plus attaching them and insulating them, with a single step.
My point is if you want to make a good argument against LLMs, your metaphor should not have such an easy argument against it at the ready.
Spoken like a person who has never been involved in the construction of a home. It’s effectively doing the job of (poorly) pouring concrete which isn’t the difficult or time consuming part.
Ah, my apologies. I had interpreted your message to suggest that pouring cement from a robotic arm fully replaced all of the construction work of framing and finishing all of the walls of the house, interior and exterior, plus attaching them and insulating them, with a single step.
Did you see another video about this? The one linked only showed the walls and still showed them doing interior framing. Nothing about windows, electrical, plumbing, insulation, etc.
What they showed could speed up construction but there are tons of other steps involved.
I do wonder how sturdy it is since it doesn’t look like rebar or anything else is added.
I’m not an expert on it, I’ve only watched a few videos on it, but from what I’ve seen they add structural elements between the layers at certain points which act like rebar.
There’s no framing of the walls, but they do set up scaffolds to support overhangs (because you can’t print onto nothing)
I’m with you on this. We can’t just causally brush aside a machine that can create the frame of a house unattended - just because it can’t also do wiring. It was a bad choice of image to use to attack AI. In fact it’s a perfect metaphor for what AI is actually good for: automating certain parts of the work. Yes you still need an electrician to come in, just like you also need a software engineer to wire up the UI code their LLM generated to the back end, etc.
You circled all the way back to the original point lol. The whole thrust of this conversation is “AI can be used to automate parts of the work, but you still need knowledgeable people to finish it”. Just like “a concrete 3d printer can be used to automate parts of building a house, but you still need knowledgeable people to finish it.”
That’s your whole point, but you’re making it in bizarre ways, like equating a concrete 3D printer with a hammer and saying that building a house frame is meaningless because there’s still more to do.
Your issue is that you’re arguing with a straw man that’s not present. No one said AI can do absolutely everything soup to nuts. It allows for more automation than ever before, full stop. And you’re still harping on “yeah but you still need people.” No shit.
Then you blundered into the rhetorical pit of expecting everyone to hear “3D printing a house” as patently ridiculous, when in fact enormous strides are being made on that.
Well, a minute ago you were saying that AI worship is akin to saying
a hammer can build a house
Now you’re saying that a hammer is basically the same thing as a machine that can create a building frame unattended? Come on. You have a point to be made here but you’re leaning on the stick a bit too hard.
I hate the simulated intelligence nonsense at least as much as you, but you should probably know about this if you’re saying you can’t 3d print a house: https://youtu.be/vL2KoMNzGTo
Yeah I’ve seen that before and it’s basically what I’m talking about. Again, that’s not “printing a 3D house” as hype would lead one to believe. Is it extruding cement to build the walls around very carefully placed framing and heavily managed and coordinated by people and finished with plumbing, electrical, etc.
It’s cool that they can bring this huge piece of equipment to extrude cement to form some kind of wall. It’s a neat proof of concept. I personally wouldn’t want to live in a house that looked anything like or was constructed that way. Would you?
I mean, “to 3d print a wall” is a massive, bordering on disingenuous, understatement of what’s happening there. They’re replacing all of the construction work of framing and finishing all of the walls of the house, interior and exterior, plus attaching them and insulating them, with a single step.
My point is if you want to make a good argument against LLMs, your metaphor should not have such an easy argument against it at the ready.
Spoken like a person who has never been involved in the construction of a home. It’s effectively doing the job of (poorly) pouring concrete which isn’t the difficult or time consuming part.
My dude, I worked home renovations for many years. Nice try to discredit me rather than my argument though.
Ah, my apologies. I had interpreted your message to suggest that pouring cement from a robotic arm fully replaced all of the construction work of framing and finishing all of the walls of the house, interior and exterior, plus attaching them and insulating them, with a single step.
Did you see another video about this? The one linked only showed the walls and still showed them doing interior framing. Nothing about windows, electrical, plumbing, insulation, etc.
What they showed could speed up construction but there are tons of other steps involved.
I do wonder how sturdy it is since it doesn’t look like rebar or anything else is added.
I’m not an expert on it, I’ve only watched a few videos on it, but from what I’ve seen they add structural elements between the layers at certain points which act like rebar.
There’s no framing of the walls, but they do set up scaffolds to support overhangs (because you can’t print onto nothing)
I’m with you on this. We can’t just causally brush aside a machine that can create the frame of a house unattended - just because it can’t also do wiring. It was a bad choice of image to use to attack AI. In fact it’s a perfect metaphor for what AI is actually good for: automating certain parts of the work. Yes you still need an electrician to come in, just like you also need a software engineer to wire up the UI code their LLM generated to the back end, etc.
You circled all the way back to the original point lol. The whole thrust of this conversation is “AI can be used to automate parts of the work, but you still need knowledgeable people to finish it”. Just like “a concrete 3d printer can be used to automate parts of building a house, but you still need knowledgeable people to finish it.”
That’s your whole point, but you’re making it in bizarre ways, like equating a concrete 3D printer with a hammer and saying that building a house frame is meaningless because there’s still more to do.
Your issue is that you’re arguing with a straw man that’s not present. No one said AI can do absolutely everything soup to nuts. It allows for more automation than ever before, full stop. And you’re still harping on “yeah but you still need people.” No shit.
Then you blundered into the rhetorical pit of expecting everyone to hear “3D printing a house” as patently ridiculous, when in fact enormous strides are being made on that.
Well, a minute ago you were saying that AI worship is akin to saying
Now you’re saying that a hammer is basically the same thing as a machine that can create a building frame unattended? Come on. You have a point to be made here but you’re leaning on the stick a bit too hard.