• Olap@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    LLMs can’t count. Can’t add. Can’t deal with actually large datasets

    How is excel a good fit for vibe-coding?

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      23 hours ago

      This isn’t just an LLM. It uses excel functions and features to do the counting and adding and dealing with large data sets.

      It’s not “vibe coding” as much as “vibe performing steps in excel”.

      Also LLMs absolutely can deal with large data sets anyway. Not sure where you got that from.

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        18 hours ago

        LLMs lose context over a short session. They all have input limits. Very small input limits usually. Best it can probably do is suggest formulas for you based on your natural language, maybe some copy/paste. Which means it can beat a 9 year old, great news everyone! Or show a help article on pivot tables (which the help function already does!)

        Excel is very simple to work with, hence its ubiquity. LLMs also get shit wrong about half the time, way more than half with difficult things ime. Meaning they cost experienced operators time, a few studies are showing this now with coding. And are expensive as fuck. And slow as fuck. And reduce capacity for learning. Meaning they actually cap what excel can achieve, as the user won’t grow at the same rate, renoving the one advantage excel actually has: the learning rate is phenomenal

        The C-Suite which insisted on this integration is basically an subservient idiot themselves at this stage who doesn’t understand their product, their market fit, or their userbase. They should replace thenselves with an LLM

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          17 hours ago

          I think you didn’t even read the article or read up about this integration.

          This isn’t just an LLM, it’s Agentic AI.

          AI is a tool that needs to be learned how to be used properly. Anyone can pick it up and get results that are “good enough“, but in the right hands what can be done is incredible - just like with any tool.

          Look at something like minecraft as a perfect example of what can be done with a tool in the right hands.

          Most people don’t understand “AI” as it is, and mistakenly think it’s just a school assignment cheating tool and a chat bot that makes things up.

          People in here have been saying since LLMs can’t do maths perfectly it’s terrible for numbers, but they can’t see that it doesn’t need to do maths here because it’s in excel and excel has formulas and functions that can.

          It’s crazy how the mere mention of AI makes some people lose any and all semblance of critical thinking and intelligence.

          Excel is very simple to work with

          Ok so your idea of excel is just what your average person might do at home with it - that’s not what or who this stuff is for.

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            17 hours ago

            And it will fuck up around half of even the simple formulas. This is really bad, and the idiots in charge should feel bad. Excel basically runs the world and they are about to fuck it up

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              5 hours ago

              And people will fuck up those same formulas 30% of the time (vs 45% of agent mode).

              AI isn’t being forced into being the only way to do spreadsheets.