It’s not really about the data breaches themselves but rather the way the company responded to them. The fact they tried to cover it up and gaslight their customers about it shows how terrible they are, and remote access is a highly sensitive thing that should be treated the same as handing the keys to your house over to someone. Anyone that isn’t deeply investigating the company or individual making a remote access product prior to using it does deserve what they get in the same way someone handing the keys to their house to a complete stranger they know nothing about would deserve whatever happened to them.
At the end of the day Teamviewer has a history of screwing over their customers for their own profit and in that regard this move is very much on brand for them and entirely predictable. Nobody that has looked into the company’s history should be surprised that they’ve done this at all.
Anyone that isn’t deeply investigating the company or individual making a remote access product prior to using it does deserve what they get in the same way someone handing the keys to their house to a complete stranger they know nothing about would deserve whatever happened to the
I’ve already agreed with this opinion:
I’d agree if this post was about Teamviewer being breached once again. In that case, yes the end users who have stuck with them throughout numerous data breaches have very little room to complain when it happens again.
But it feels like you may have missed my actual point. Again, this post is about a change to perpetual licensing. People that purchased their license back when TeamViewer was a proprietary alternative to VNC, long before it became obvious that TeamViewer wasn’t a great company, (think 2008), don’t suddenly deserve licensing changes. Hard stop. These are the users that are affected the most by this change because they’ve held their perpetual licenses the longest. In addition, TeamViewer stopped selling perpetual licenses years ago, so the bulk of users with one today are likely to be older users. Why do they suddenly deserve this?
And you missed my actual point. It doesn’t matter when they purchased the license because the fact they’re still using it means they deserve it. Nobody should be using Teamviewer today because they’re a terrible company, and if you aren’t then this license change doesn’t impact you at all.
It doesn’t matter when they purchased the license because the fact they’re still using it means they deserve it
Sure it does. I have a Jetbrains perpetual license that I use daily. If they suddenly started enshittifying, and then decided to revoke my fallback licenses in 10 years, they’d be up for a number of lawsuits because that’s illegal.
End users don’t deserve to have their licenses revoked because a company went to shit over time. They’re in no control of that. And I made 0 arguments about people using Teamviewer today because that was never part of my point.
If they’re not using it, why does it matter what happens to the license? There’s a “it’s the principle of the thing” argument sure, but practically speaking this is irrelevant. Shitty company does shitty thing that should have no practical impact on anyone because nobody should be using their product. What exactly would change for people not using TeamViewer if they hadn’t revoked those licences? The argument is that anyone still using TeamViewer deserves this, and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted by this change so it’s irrelevant.
The argument is that anyone still using TeamViewer deserves this, and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted bym this change so it’s irrelevant.
That’s your argument, and I disagree with it. I’ve already shared why.
and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted by this change so it’s irrelevant.
This is also wrong. Having the license revoked means the people who had one can’t use it at all whether they were using it or not. Let’s set aside that you shouldn’t advocate or endorse a company selling a product, shitting the bed, then revoking the product from those that already paid for it.
You’d be surprised, but there’s tons of small companies and organizations that rely solely on viewing software, some ancient version of Windows Server, and a remote toaster for administration still to this day. Those people are directly impacted by this.
I don’t think they deserve a license revocation because I don’t think any company should be able to take back a product that a user has purchased for no cited reason. Which is the case here.
You might have a point if those people had no choice, but there are several good or at least better alternatives to TeamViewer and at least one of them is free. Nobody has any excuse for being negatively impacted by this change. Hopefully this is a wakeup call to those people that have been either too lazy or too incompetent to replace TeamViewer to finally do so. TeamViewer is a shit company making a shit product that has just made yet another shit anti-consumer decision (and potentially illegal but I’m sure there’s some sneaky license clause they claim makes this legal).
You might have a point if those people had no choice
Yes exactly and I may haved leaned on that a bit to make my point here. I worked at an MSP where 90% of their clients had the exact setup I mentioned, so workers had no choice but to run TeamViewer. The company would refuse any other recommendations specifically because it had already paid for a number of perpetual licenses and (at least at the time) free alternatives were limited. It was really awful even back then (~2015ish).
And for what it’s worth, I also agree that TeamViewer is an awful company and the software itself is awful, and of course if you can help it don’t fucking use it today lol.
It’s not really about the data breaches themselves but rather the way the company responded to them. The fact they tried to cover it up and gaslight their customers about it shows how terrible they are, and remote access is a highly sensitive thing that should be treated the same as handing the keys to your house over to someone. Anyone that isn’t deeply investigating the company or individual making a remote access product prior to using it does deserve what they get in the same way someone handing the keys to their house to a complete stranger they know nothing about would deserve whatever happened to them.
At the end of the day Teamviewer has a history of screwing over their customers for their own profit and in that regard this move is very much on brand for them and entirely predictable. Nobody that has looked into the company’s history should be surprised that they’ve done this at all.
I’ve already agreed with this opinion:
But it feels like you may have missed my actual point. Again, this post is about a change to perpetual licensing. People that purchased their license back when TeamViewer was a proprietary alternative to VNC, long before it became obvious that TeamViewer wasn’t a great company, (think 2008), don’t suddenly deserve licensing changes. Hard stop. These are the users that are affected the most by this change because they’ve held their perpetual licenses the longest. In addition, TeamViewer stopped selling perpetual licenses years ago, so the bulk of users with one today are likely to be older users. Why do they suddenly deserve this?
And you missed my actual point. It doesn’t matter when they purchased the license because the fact they’re still using it means they deserve it. Nobody should be using Teamviewer today because they’re a terrible company, and if you aren’t then this license change doesn’t impact you at all.
Sure it does. I have a Jetbrains perpetual license that I use daily. If they suddenly started enshittifying, and then decided to revoke my fallback licenses in 10 years, they’d be up for a number of lawsuits because that’s illegal.
End users don’t deserve to have their licenses revoked because a company went to shit over time. They’re in no control of that. And I made 0 arguments about people using Teamviewer today because that was never part of my point.
If they’re not using it, why does it matter what happens to the license? There’s a “it’s the principle of the thing” argument sure, but practically speaking this is irrelevant. Shitty company does shitty thing that should have no practical impact on anyone because nobody should be using their product. What exactly would change for people not using TeamViewer if they hadn’t revoked those licences? The argument is that anyone still using TeamViewer deserves this, and anyone who isn’t isn’t actually impacted by this change so it’s irrelevant.
That’s your argument, and I disagree with it. I’ve already shared why.
This is also wrong. Having the license revoked means the people who had one can’t use it at all whether they were using it or not. Let’s set aside that you shouldn’t advocate or endorse a company selling a product, shitting the bed, then revoking the product from those that already paid for it.
You’d be surprised, but there’s tons of small companies and organizations that rely solely on viewing software, some ancient version of Windows Server, and a remote toaster for administration still to this day. Those people are directly impacted by this.
I don’t think they deserve a license revocation because I don’t think any company should be able to take back a product that a user has purchased for no cited reason. Which is the case here.
You might have a point if those people had no choice, but there are several good or at least better alternatives to TeamViewer and at least one of them is free. Nobody has any excuse for being negatively impacted by this change. Hopefully this is a wakeup call to those people that have been either too lazy or too incompetent to replace TeamViewer to finally do so. TeamViewer is a shit company making a shit product that has just made yet another shit anti-consumer decision (and potentially illegal but I’m sure there’s some sneaky license clause they claim makes this legal).
Yes exactly and I may haved leaned on that a bit to make my point here. I worked at an MSP where 90% of their clients had the exact setup I mentioned, so workers had no choice but to run TeamViewer. The company would refuse any other recommendations specifically because it had already paid for a number of perpetual licenses and (at least at the time) free alternatives were limited. It was really awful even back then (~2015ish).
And for what it’s worth, I also agree that TeamViewer is an awful company and the software itself is awful, and of course if you can help it don’t fucking use it today lol.
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