Okay. I have that. Now what?

Then you have your evidence, and your previous post is nonsensical.

You can’t prove a negative, what you should look for is evidence that it works, without such evidence, there is no reason to believe it does.

Having all my data stored with proprietary services is so nice, I don’t have to worry about anything.

/S

But that’s actually how the average idiot think.

Yes I found out I was wrong, and I thought I had edited most of the wrong posts claiming deepseek is open source.
You are right it isn’t, despite articles claiming it is.

Oh I didn’t detect any snarkiness, just you being to the point, which is a thing I appreciate.
But I’m often considered impolite. I think it’s a culture thing.

But I must admit I am annoyed by you contradicting me, but it’s even worse that you were right.
I find that generally offensive.
So I’ll go sulk in corner for a few minutes. 😜 😋 🤣

The (claimed) source:
https://github.com/deepseek-ai

Investigating further I can see it is NOT open source. All the articles saying that are lying, probably unknowingly just as I believed the claim, they probably did too, and I’m NOT being sarcastic!
I have no idea why publishing these “weights” is considered open source, it has nothing to do with Open Source as defined by OSI, which I believe has a historical right to the term.

I apologize.

your changing the definition of open source software.

https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/

The tide has turned. With the December 2024 launch of DeepSeek’s free-for-all V3 large language model (LLM) and the January 2025 release of DeepSeek’s R1 (the AI reasoning model that rivals the capabilities of OpenAI’s O1), the open-source movement started by Chinese firms has sent shockwaves through Silicon Valley and Wall Street.

And:

DeepSeek, adopting an open-source approach was an effective strategy for catching up, as it allowed them to use contributions from a broader community of developers.”

I’ve read similar descriptions in other articles, seems your claim is false.

EDIT PS:
Turns out on further investigation that Deepseek is NOT open source, there is NO access to the source code for Deepseek. Only the weights as others have rightfully claimed.

OpenAI and such are working overtime to lock customers in.

Of course they are, I just thought they hadn’t figured out how yet. 🤥

Oracle doesn’t need a bailout, they are loaded, and can afford this loss. But of course an investment not being as profitable as they promised means the stock goes down. It’s not like the company is anywhere near being in trouble.

The dataset is massive and impractical to share, and a dataset may include bias and conditions for use, and the dataset is a completely separate thing from the code. You would always want to use a dataset that fit your needs. From known sources. It’s easy to collect data. Programming a good AI algorithm not so much.
Saying a model isn’t open source because collected data isn’t included is like saying a music player isn’t open source, because it doesn’t include any music.

EDIT!!!

TheGrandNagus is however right about the source code missing, investigating further, the actual source code is not available. and the point about OSI (Open Source Initiative) is valid, because OSI originally coined the term and defined the meaning of Open Source, so their description is per definition the only correct one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

Open source as a term emerged in the late 1990s by a group of people in the free software movement who were critical of the political agenda and moral philosophy implied in the term “free software” and sought to reframe the discourse to reflect a more commercially minded position.[14] In addition, the ambiguity of the term “free software” was seen as discouraging business adoption.[15][16] However, the ambiguity of the word “free” exists primarily in English as it can refer to cost. The group included Christine Peterson, Todd Anderson, Larry Augustin, Jon Hall, Sam Ockman, Michael Tiemann and Eric S. Raymond. Peterson suggested “open source” at a meeting[17] held at Palo Alto, California, in reaction to Netscape’s announcement in January 1998 of a source code release for Navigator.[18] Linus Torvalds gave his support the following day

Your ignorance is not a valid point.

https://techwireasia.com/2025/07/china-open-source-ai-models-global-rankings/

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week as the upstart faces greater rivalry from Google, threatening its ability to monetize its AI products and meet its ambitious revenue targets.

Interesting that even Sam Altman is worried now!
AFAIK there are also problems that Chinese companies have their own tool chain, and are releasing high level truly open source solutions for AI.

Seems to me a problem for the sky high profits could be that it is hard to make AI lock in, like is popular with much software and cloud services. But with AI you can use whatever tool is best value, and switch to the competition whenever you want.

It’s nice that it will probably be impossible for 1 company to monopolize AI, like Microsoft did with operating systems for decades.

I 100% agree, but some would consider that a matter of ideology.
The other point about dependency on USA when they are acting with hostility is more pragmatic.

99% of people don’t understand all the reason why open source is better for public services, except if we can say it’s cheaper. That’s the one point they understand, and the one point Microsoft has been attacking most with their propaganda against open source.

This is great, But using Microsoft Windows should be illegal for public services in EU.
We can no longer allow ourselves to depend on American IT infrastructure.

Which distro has Factorio as part of the standard package system?
Seems like a nice way to save €32,-.

Haha I did that once too, because I had a system that when upgrading I wanted a separate home partition so I could just reassign it to my new install.

I also use KDE, and it is far from minimal, but as I recall my system is only half that with a full system upgrade!
Some say creativity stuff takes much room, but for instance Blender is only ½ a gig.

But maybe my system is bigger than I remember, because even at 40 gig it’s near irrelevant compared to the size of an SSD today, and with 1 gigabit internet the upgrades are fast anyway.

IDK if there’s a way to see the size of my actual Linux install not counting 3rd party media or games?

On my system Blender is only ½ a gig with all dependencies…

76 GB packages from you Linux distro? Did you simply install ALL packeages?

22.8 GiB install size !?
WTF?

I must admit I don’t recall the size of my own installation, but that seems HUGE!
Anyways congratulations on getting it trimmed. 😋