Ah, thanks for clarifying that. I definitely misinterpreted what you said.

I’m not sure I’ve even read Proton’s latest reply in full.

When I saw it on reddit I just got annoyed by all the boot licking comments saying variations of “thanks for being so transparent”.

I’m unlikely to believe any post incident damage control from Proton. Their CEO caused irreparable damage to their reputation. The only resolution is to remove him from his post.

I’m tired of seeing people claiming that alternatives are probably just as bad. That’s irrelevant. the alternatives haven’t betrayed the faith users place in them. and given the scale and nature of Proton as an organisation it’s entirely reasonable to expect a higher standard of them.

The same is also true of ChatGPT. On the surface the results are incredibly believable but when you dig into it or try to use some of the generated code it’s nonsense.

You might not want to post apologia for a company defending a fascist party once, then doubling down, then trying to take it all back saying “it was a mistake to get political”

At no point did I state “it was a mistake to get political” that is a narrative entirely from your own imagination.

1. I made a sarcastic response to the opening comment. People didn’t notice the sarcasm. No worries my sense of humour isn’t overly obvious and I refuse to litter \s marks everywhere so I’m not too bothered if my comments are misinterpreted at times.

2. the opening commenter responds sarcastically.

3. I respond with another comment that’s absolutely dripping with sarcasm and even explicitly call out Proton’s bullshit. Somehow people still don’t note the sarcasm and yet they understood the firadin’s comment was sarcastic, odd but again I’m not too bothered.

4. Somebody implies I haven’t understood a joke.

5. I try to delicately suggest I’ve been misunderstood. Again, I’m not too bothered.

6. Your response. Absolutely absurd.

At no point did I even defend the Nazis, at no point did I say or imply what you’re quoting me as saying.

The most ridiculous thing is you accuse me of “apologia” on the same day I repeatedly call out the inappropriateness of Proton’s stance because I got tired of reading so much “apologia”:

• https://feddit.uk/post/23492265/14925017
• https://feddit.uk/post/23516872/14924608
• https://feddit.uk/post/23513622/14924488
• https://feddit.uk/post/23386970/14887637
• https://feddit.uk/post/23386970/14883214

The solace I do take from this is that at least people are aware of the insanity of the hill Proton have decided to die on.

You might want to direct that elsewhere

Exactly it’s totally different.

And they never specifically praised the vice president they simply made some fucked up association that his attendance of an event meant he was on side contrary to pretty much every other indication that has ever been given.

For clarity the company did not explicitly support Trump. They simply stated negative things about the “corporate dems” and praised the new republican party.

The desperate PR campaign against deepseek is also very entertaining.

Why is this an issue. They have their incentive to keep building and selling. As long as they’re building and selling, it doesn’t matter to the rest of us what their profit is.

“Issue” was probably the wrong word “potential for controversy” would have been more appropriate. It’s potentially controversial because if the profits exceed the subsidies you’re effectively just giving money to shareholders.

If they’re building make excess profit, that’s just more opportunity for legacy manufacturers to be competitive. Capitalism 101

No. This is entirely the opposite of capitalism. Under capitalism there are no subsidies. If a business isn’t profitable then it fails. Simple.

What we have is an abomination of capitalism and corporate socialism. That’s the controversy I referred to above. Where governments funnel money to enrich corporations and the select few rather than helping improve population they are charged with governing.

So it’s a government subsidy at no cost to the government, funded instead by other companies? That’s actually quite a neat idea.

I guess the issues arise if Tesla just pockets the subsidy without passing on the savings to savings to people buying EVs