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Cake day: June 20th, 2023

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  • You can boost the 395 up to 120W, which might be where Framework is pushing it too, but those benchmarks are labelled 55W and that’s what AMD says is the default clock without adjustment. I’d love to see how the benchmarks compare at that higher boost but I’d imagine it’s diminishing returns similar to most GPUs. I think the benefit to using it in a lounge gaming PC would be the super low power draw, but you would need to figure out a display MUX switch and I don’t think that’s simple with desktop cards. Maybe something with a 5090 mobile would be the go at that point, but I have no idea how that compares to the 395 and whether it’s worth it.


  • Correct me if I’m wrong here, but is the 395 not leagues ahead of something like a 4090 when it comes to performance per watt? Here’s a comparison graph of a 4090 against the Radeon 8060S, which is the 395’s iGPU:


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    Now that’s apparently running at the 395’s default TDP of 55W so that includes the CPU power. It’s also clear that a 4090 can trounce it on sheer performance when needed. But if we take a look at this next graph:


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    This shows that a 4090 has a third of the performance while still running at 130W, more than twice the TDP of the entire 395 APU.

    Edit: This was buried in the comments under that second graph but here’s the points scored per Watt on that benchmark: 130W = 66 / 180W = 85 / 220W = 92 / 270W = 84 / 330W = 74 / 420W = 59 / 460W = 55 and this clearly shows the sweet spot for a 4090 is 220W.


  • That’s all valid for your usecase, but you were saying that you didn’t think many people would use it that way at all and that’s what I was saying I didn’t agree with. As well, a HTPC is kind of a different use case altogether to a lounge room gaming computer. There’s some overlap for sure, but if you want zero compromise gaming then you’re going to want all that CPU.


  • I don’t know that that is necessarily true. Having a gaming machine that can play any game and dynamically switches between a high-power draw dGPU and a genuinely capable low-power draw iGPU actually sounds amazing. That’s always been possible with every laptop that has a dGPU but their associated iGPU has often been bottom of the barrel bc “why would you use it” for intensive tasks. But a “desktop” build as a lounge room gaming PC, where you can throw whatever at it and it’ll run as quietly as it can, while being able to play AAAs at 4K60, sounds amazing.