Quagmire. We had it good, Trump fucked us, and now if we back down and let Iran get their way, they’ll be vastly more powerful and more evil than ever.
I agree with your statement, except for the evil part. They will definitely continue to be an adversary. But the US and UK have been messing around in this region for over 100 years. Who knows what kind of government the Persians would have if it hadn’t been for western backed coups.
You’re talking about counterfactuals and hypotheticals. I am not. The evils of the past cannot excuse the continuation of evils into the future in my view. Just because we know where an evil came from does not make it not evil. Iran is run by evil men. They stand in opposition to countries run by evil men also, your point there is well taken. The Persians I’ve listened to who do geopolitical commentary seem to agree that Iran is run by evil men, even moreso after Trump’s war. They wish for a more equatable society, but once you’re part of a diaspora it’s hard to imagine a path to get there, seems like. The ones who know their history don’t want a return of monarchy either. It’s an extremely difficult situation made far more difficult by the US and UK historical context. But let’s at least call a spade a spade, slaying thousands of protestors is evil.
Iran is the lesser evil in this war. They’re a democratic society that refuses to engage in genocide. By comparison the US is a democracy currently aiding Israel in genocide.
The Ayatollah was Iran’s Chief Islamic Judge. The US also gives judges at the highest levels lifetime appointments. This is basic stuff . How ignorant are you to not know any of this?
Plus I noticed you completely sidestepped the issue of Israel’s genocide, even though they’re the country that pulled us into this mess of a war.
The collective “we” had it good. As in, the world generally including you unless you’re posting from inside Iran. The strait is rightfully international waters and have been for ages. Anything less is a return to mercantilism.
How crazy do you have to be to look at the vicious crackdown last year and call Iran democratic? Just because I hate America doesn’t mean I’m on the side of a bloody-handed authoritarian theocratic state. What is with you?
Unfortunately that authoritarian theocratic state and its people (many of whom dont support their own government) are the only thing standing up to the heinous evil of the US Israeli imperial monstrosity and dying for it, which is a lot more than anyone from the west is doing
Oh, I thought I’d forgotten something. I forgot to die! It’s hardly as if Americans or Brits have been protesting and getting served draconian punishments by their twisted Zionistic governments, right? We can’t complain unless we’re also dead. Great point.
Setting aside the sarcasm, I’ve repeatedly pointed out the plight of the heroic Iranian protestors who died, to the markedly deaf ears of people in this very post who are asserting Iran is somehow “the good guy” in their black and white moral tapestry.
Whatever you think the straight is international water or not, iran as the aggressed has the right to defend itself and impose blockades to do it. That’s why ukaine can legally attack russian linked oil ships. Without the straight, and the drones and missiles that the west always tried to limit, iran wouldf have been already a failed stste like Lybia
There are a lot of those types here, frustratingly. It’s doubly amusing and wild when you come across the ones who are really down bad for North Korea.
Should a program like that be initiated, they will admit that they are edgelords / demagogues and they don’t actually believe in any of this (the NK stuff in particular is strong evidence that this is all online roleplay).
Quagmire. We had it good, Trump fucked us, and now if we back down and let Iran get their way, they’ll be vastly more powerful and more evil than ever.
I agree with your statement, except for the evil part. They will definitely continue to be an adversary. But the US and UK have been messing around in this region for over 100 years. Who knows what kind of government the Persians would have if it hadn’t been for western backed coups.
You’re talking about counterfactuals and hypotheticals. I am not. The evils of the past cannot excuse the continuation of evils into the future in my view. Just because we know where an evil came from does not make it not evil. Iran is run by evil men. They stand in opposition to countries run by evil men also, your point there is well taken. The Persians I’ve listened to who do geopolitical commentary seem to agree that Iran is run by evil men, even moreso after Trump’s war. They wish for a more equatable society, but once you’re part of a diaspora it’s hard to imagine a path to get there, seems like. The ones who know their history don’t want a return of monarchy either. It’s an extremely difficult situation made far more difficult by the US and UK historical context. But let’s at least call a spade a spade, slaying thousands of protestors is evil.
Iran is the lesser evil in this war. They’re a democratic society that refuses to engage in genocide. By comparison the US is a democracy currently aiding Israel in genocide.
A democratic society? Since when does a democratic society have a leader for life and organises mass killings and torture of citizens?
Iran is aiding russia in its genocidal imperialist invasion of Ukraine, or does that not count?
Is this a satirical comedy account? A parody of “Lemmy leftists”?
Just because there’s a war doesn’t mean you have to say one side is the good guys. What are you, eight?
There is inly one bad side in a war of aggression, the agressor. The regime oppressiveness is irelevsnt in this context.
The Ayatollah was Iran’s Chief Islamic Judge. The US also gives judges at the highest levels lifetime appointments. This is basic stuff . How ignorant are you to not know any of this?
Plus I noticed you completely sidestepped the issue of Israel’s genocide, even though they’re the country that pulled us into this mess of a war.
I mean your lamenting the loss of your evil empire benefits. Sounds like you already took a lifelong side in this.
The collective “we” had it good. As in, the world generally including you unless you’re posting from inside Iran. The strait is rightfully international waters and have been for ages. Anything less is a return to mercantilism.
How crazy do you have to be to look at the vicious crackdown last year and call Iran democratic? Just because I hate America doesn’t mean I’m on the side of a bloody-handed authoritarian theocratic state. What is with you?
Unfortunately that authoritarian theocratic state and its people (many of whom dont support their own government) are the only thing standing up to the heinous evil of the US Israeli imperial monstrosity and dying for it, which is a lot more than anyone from the west is doing
Oh, I thought I’d forgotten something. I forgot to die! It’s hardly as if Americans or Brits have been protesting and getting served draconian punishments by their twisted Zionistic governments, right? We can’t complain unless we’re also dead. Great point.
Setting aside the sarcasm, I’ve repeatedly pointed out the plight of the heroic Iranian protestors who died, to the markedly deaf ears of people in this very post who are asserting Iran is somehow “the good guy” in their black and white moral tapestry.
Whatever you think the straight is international water or not, iran as the aggressed has the right to defend itself and impose blockades to do it. That’s why ukaine can legally attack russian linked oil ships. Without the straight, and the drones and missiles that the west always tried to limit, iran wouldf have been already a failed stste like Lybia
There are a lot of those types here, frustratingly. It’s doubly amusing and wild when you come across the ones who are really down bad for North Korea.
I wish there was a program where we could fully sponsor their resettlement to nk/iran/whatever is their favourite flavour of authoritarianism.
Should a program like that be initiated, they will admit that they are edgelords / demagogues and they don’t actually believe in any of this (the NK stuff in particular is strong evidence that this is all online roleplay).
Apparently. I would hope at least they’re getting paid to talk that shit, but I’m not even seeing that level of cunning on display.