Because Signal is not decentralized nor anonymous

During onboarding of the app you only choose a name and get a random email address

30 million dollars https://element.io/blog/element-raises-30m-as-matrix-explodes/

You can argue that element is not matrix but you’re fooling yourself. Others even have to look at how element implements stuff instead of following the matrix spec

It’s a 0click so you have to have vpn running the entire time on any device that you install signal on

How is it different? In my experience it’s easier as they’ve already heard of email.

Ah so they are just capturing users currently and will have to make return on investment later? That’s a no from me.

You can choose any chatmail server just like when you sign up for lemmy you can choose which instance you’re gonna have your account on. And you can also run your own instance and allow people to sign up on there.

Thank you

You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.

Also anyone who knows your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117

Delta.chat already exists

The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private nor decentralized and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried

Signal is neither of those

You can now also choose to just be assigned a new email account when you start using Delta Chat (only drawback is that you can’t send unencrypted emails with that email account so you can’t use it for anything other than chatting)

Yea but not in vc debt so without the incentive to sell out users

Yeah I’d rather not share my identity though. Seems like an odd requirement for a “private” messenger

I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?

SMTP is not secure

Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.

SMTP is not efficiency

Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.

SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered

Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…

Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.

You cannot make a Signal account without phone number so that’s not true.

Could you be more concrete? In what relevant way do you think it does not work as an instant messenger? Keep in mind that Delta Chat is not a theoretical thing and it works as well as any other messenger.

That’s just open source, not decentralized. I can’t find a definition of decentralization that would even make it vague. From Wikipedia:

Decentralization is the process by which the activities of an organization, particularly those related to planning and decision-making, are distributed or delegated away from a central, authoritative location or group and given to smaller factions within it.

Signal has a central authoritative server and to use it with any other server you have to modify the source code.

Because delta chat is using an open protocol (email) and you can run your own servers meaning it is decentralized unlike Signal. Also it is actually anonymous unlike Signal, so you don’t need to give anyone your phone number and people can’t find where you live just by knowing your username.