oh, I installed Debian Trixie yesterday ! having a little trouble with my Wacom tablet, which wasn’t a problem in Fedora a few years ago… But apart from that it’s 👌🏼
Just Debian things give it another 5 years and you will be good to go!
The cost of stability lol
I got a survey question from windows feedbackhub on my work computer yesterday, asking if i would recommend windows. And i thought fine ill answer this seriously with real reasons why.
I wrote a long explanation from my own experiences helping people and using it, half way through i shit you not, the feedbackhub froze and crashed.
I don’t usually leave feedback. I have done it maybe six times when I’ve been really pissed. In two of those times I’ve gotten “server error” or similar after writing a long rant and pressing “send”
Seems to be a really important and respected part of any service.
It probably detected a certain number of flagged words or phrases and knew it was gonna be really negative feedback and “crashed”
It wasn’t even that negative.
Would you recommend windows to family and friends?
No, 90% of those i help (ages 10-70) with computers and tech dont need a computer, they can use their phone for everything. A phone can pay bills, contact friends and family even print documents or pictures just fine and they have everything they need and want.
The only reason someone even wants a PC today is to play games or they need it for work and in those cases i usually don’t need to recommend them an os because they probably don’t have any other options, because they are comfortable windows or mac.
Thanks to Microsoft’s legendary approach to quality control, installing Windows patches these days is getting to be less like Russian Roulette and more like accidentally stepping on a rake left in the grass.
I like the second metaphor:
The whole neighborhood is going to hear you swearing and shouting 🤬
“…which upon being stepped on, triggers a rifle aimed at your ass, covers you with sausages and emits a sound in the 20khz range to attract the neighbourhood dogs”
I think, on a abstract level, the dynamic between a companies relationship to code is comparable to genetics in biology. In that sense, Vibe Coding is the last generation in a chain of inbreeding and Microsoft are the Hapsburgs. There will be a day where they succumb to their lack of quality control.
“Thanks to Microsoft’s legendary approach to quality control, installing Windows patches these days is getting to be less like Russian Roulette and more like accidentally stepping on a rake left in the grass.”
Oooof!
Jesus fucking Christ, is Windows just 100% vibe coded now? How do those fuckups keep happening? It’s honestly unbelievable…
I’m so glad I decided to move away from it - I still have no idea what I’m doing in Linux, but then again I never had a lot of idea about what I’m doing in Windows either, so it’s all good :)
As the article mentions, it’s because Microsoft cut down their quality control to the point where they’re just sending stuff out then reacting when people report what breaks. Sure they have their “insider” builds but that program isn’t working very well to catch these issues that find their way into release builds.
Back in the day they had a massive testing lab and a big team of testers. Then they fired them all just over a decade ago. We can thank Satya Nadella I guess. He’s more of a line-go-up man than a good quality products person.
It’s completely insane to me that businesses deal with it without suing their butts off. I can understand individual customers, they tend to be docile, but how did all this not cause massive losses to a litigious company yet?
Enterprise lags behind Home and Pro. Consumers are QA for Enterprise.
One lesson they took from RedHat, is it not?
They’ve gotten away with it for 10 years now. I’m sure they’ll continue to get away with it.
thier new thing is focousing on thier money-hemmorhaging AI.
You might not yet always know what you’re doing to your Linux install…
But you can never really what the fuck Microsoft is gonna do to your windows install.That’s without even getting into whether or not Microsoft knows what they’re doing themselves.
Amen to that.
I settled on Manjaro for now because it’s super nice and easy to use - I heard it had some issues with updates on the past, but for the last year or so it’s been really nice for me, so I’ll wait until the first screwup before distro-hopping somewhere else :)
They know that they know nothing. They do what they must and let be what comes. An enlightened monopolist corporation.
How do those fuckups keep happening?
Microsoft is literally requiring its devs to use AI to write parts of Windows
…and it shows. God damn it shows, almost every week it seems, with yet another fuckup.
Enter your pin to unlock keepass. Don’t worry, I’ll make it pop up UNDER all the other windows when you want to unlock it. Also no, we still have a stock plain icon for windows hello in windows 11.
If that “AI” is getting feedback from fixes they make, then it makes sense. They are basically training it all the time. Except training it on their own devs seems to be pissing against the wind.
At work win 11 has already messed up twice. Once in an image and it black screened. As in it stopped working and no blue screen just black.
Its pretty bad. At least win 10 kept working.
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Dunno why you’re being downvoted, that there was a solid reference.
For people that don’t know the reference: here
Gives of joecartoon vibes.
we’re too old it seems
@some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
Since 1998, baby! Found my RedHat 3.0.3 install CD recently. It’s been such a long road, but it keeps getting better.
A CD with RedHat on it? Pretty fancy. My first RH installation came on about three boxes of floppy disks, took hours to unpack it all. And damn right, been all uphill since.
How does Microsoft regularly. Was up this badly?
Do all companies (Apple/linux) do it to but we don’t hear about it because of the smaller user base or is Microsoft literally this incompetent?
If they are, why can they fix the root issue?
The is a genuine question that I don’t have the answer to.
Apple’s base is big enough where if a problem like this happens, it’s a big deal. Apple has the benefit of controlling both hardware and software.
With Linux, being open source helps it out since so many people can test and chime in.
Exactly, plus you can decide if you want to be on a stable distro versus one where you get to test new features / get all the updates at the cost of stability.
Your distro can also decide what version to be on for each package. Slackware regularly rolls back a broken package until upstream fixes it.
That’s a good point. Beta users save a lot, I mean a lot, of headaches for stable users. I am not sure if Windows even does beta and alpha versions anymore.
They have the Windows Insider program, which is basically beta testing - and maybe sometimes alpha testing these days.
I should really keep up with Windows news even if I don’t use it.
Thank you for the info and thank you for posting.
The is a genuine question that I don’t have the answer to.
I would say that because nobody can muster the consensus on any real policy. There’s plenty of legacy, with many different people and teams responsible, knowledge lost and so on.
And then this requires some sort of unified vision. Despite, eh, all the downsides, Apple can do that. MS can’t.
They’d honestly have to make a separate “neowin” subsystem with new GUI and everything, and make win32 and win64 and all the old tooling optional and parallel. Because their approach to backward compatibility means keeping everything around. They can’t fix the mess maintaining that.
Thanks I wondered if the backwards compatibility stuff was part of it.
Thanks for what? I’m not knowledgeable, it’s just poking with my finger into the sky
Your response
Microsoft stopped trying a long time ago. The benefits of having a monopoly. Windows would have to cease functioning entirely for them to lose their position.
MacOS only has ~10-15% market share (depending on which stats you read) so something breaking in MacOS has much less impact compared to Windows. Apple also control the hardware, so there’s fewer things that can go wrong.
However often you think windows machines break on updates Apple ones break 100x more.
I’ve been on macOS since the Windows XP era and never in my life has the OS broken after a software update.
Come to think of it, same goes with iOS. I’ve been on iOS since the iPhone 4.
Peobably also comes down to not many softwares deciding to fuck with systwm files.
Recently had a borked Win7 -> Win10 install that was unable to keep the Win11 upgrade stable.
After an update and reboot it stopped working.Probable reason why: Some McAfee drive encryption driver embedded in the system files.
The drive wasnt encrypted. All files were externally readable by our backup software.
But removing the files from system32 borked the system and resulted in BSODs.Is it this invasive on the mac side?
This is complete bullshit Windows machines break WAY more often whenever MS releases their spotty updates. Especially when they decided to break up their quality control dept years ago. Every other week or so you get this shite with Windows/MS.
No windows is pretty reliable with its updates. Most of the issues in windows are from HP and dell shipping bad driver updates.
Do you have an examples of this? I have not used Mac for quite some time.
Yeah I had an apple machine running filevault get locked out of its file system during an update and end up with no OS. Tried to revert back to before the update but the encryption keys werent working to unlock it. I had to install a new OS which isnt to bad on mac. Worst part was it wasnt even a major upgrade just a security patch.
War this a widespread issue? I know every computer can have one of issues, but Microsoft seems to have regular widespread issues and I was wandering about example where Apple also had widespread issues.
No
I suggest you take a look at the apple forums if you dont believe me.
My Apple-using friends seem split on this when I ask them whether Macs are stable these days. I’ve heard from several people that their reputation for stability is a hangover from the past, and updates in recent years have been somewhat unreliable. But it would be hard to get good comparative data given that the companies won’t be eager to share the numbers.
