The complaint says DoorDash drivers began waiting to batch multiple orders together after gaining virtual visibility into kitchen systems, allowing them to see when pizzas would come out of the oven.
Instead of immediately leaving with a completed order, the suit claims drivers waited “up to fifteen (15) minutes” for additional deliveries, increasing the time between when a pizza is removed from the oven rack and when it leaves the building to be delivered. That delay slowed deliveries, disappointed customers, and caused a sharp drop in sales, the suit says.
The lawsuit also alleges Dashers could see tip amounts and whether orders were cash payments, making some drivers less likely to accept certain deliveries.
This is exactly how Skynet started
While it may not work well for everyone, this is my solution: How To Make Pizza Hut’s Pan Pizza At Home | Allrecipes - YouTube
All I care about is the apple pizza, and the cherry pizza.
Apple Pizza what are you mad, wait a minute, isn’t that basically just like a pie? I mean you’re not putting cheese on it are you?
To me it sounds like the suit should be against Doordash not Pizza Hut.
Unless the contracts say you gotta deliver orders right away, not much they can do. They didnt have to outsource their delivery, they could have used their own drivers.
Last time I ordered from them. I selected pick up and waited until a few minutes before the time was up to leave to get it. When I got there on their screen it showed my name and ready. I waited an additional twenty minutes to get my pizza. Don’t know if the people working there marked it completed or if it was their system but I haven’t been back in a while.
As someone who worked in fast food in quite a few different places it is very common in my experience that orders are marked complete before they really are.
The stats matter to the heads, so the managers keep up the stats to look good. That is why when you go through a drive through and they ask you to pull up? They are wiping that order so it looks as if it was done faster and bringing it to you when it’s really ready.
It’s a classic thing of stats being focused on to the point that the stat is essentially made useless since it gets cheated.
I haven’t worked FF in roughly 10-15 years though, and this was my experience, so grain of salt and all that.
Fire the executives responsible.
Let they who reap the benefits of success be also reamed by the flames of failure.
Did you read the article? Or even the headline, which pretty clearly puts the blame on Doordash drivers gaming the system.
Hold up…
Pizza Hut execs fired all their in-store drivers because California was gonna make them pay drivers a living wage. They then chose to go with Doordash drivers, leading to the ultimate failure of the brand and closing tons of stores nationwide as a result.
So yes. Its 100% on the execs.
The specific pizza hut suing doesn’t operate in California, but that doesn’t mean the California pizza huts that fired their drivers due to the minimum wage change in California arent also suffering the same problem, id expect they are.
The franchisees had no say in the execs choosing to use this new software that let’s the door dash drivers see what’s happening in the kitchen.
The California locations are starting to go through chapter 11. Papa johns uses doordash heavily too, and theyre starting to shutter locations too.
They gave DoorDash drives that data and they are pissed DoorDash drivers acted in their best interest instead of….literally anyone else’s? That’s hardly gaming the system. That’s the system working exactly as designed and management not understanding sales reps lie.
They also made the decision to ditch in house delivery drivers and use doordash in the first place.
I don’t care. Fire the executives anyway.
Right! They must be guilty of something dammit!
Partially related: I remember some months ago, down here in Brazil, UberEats and iFood drivers were getting restless about the complete lack of any rights when working with the apps - no rest time, no charging stations, low pay, all while being told that you’re “being your own boss, working when you want to!”. They usually formed whatsapp groups to complain about that.
In an almost inexplicable twist, the majority that wanted more rights also wanted the govt to stay the fuck away and were against a law that was meant to regulate working for apps. Said law included many of the rights they wanted.
Glad to see American idiocy is spreading /s
Planned idiocy, but idiocy nonetheless.
Billionaires invest a fortune into media articles, influencers, and fake news to brainwash workers to vote against their own class.
Ironically, the billionaire class is pretty well organized one to achieve all this. Motherfuckers.
A tremendous amount of money has been invested to ensure that it is.
Love how on the page for this article taking about how an AI system fucked up so bad there is a 100m lawsuit over it… there are AI ads offering to sumerize the article…
Also, I can’t lie, I feel no fucking sympathy for the massively wealthy elites that own this 100+ franchise company. If they hired their own drivers and payed their employees well I’d be singing a different tune but fuck these capitalist pigs. I hope they sue each other into oblivion.
I’m actually quite surprised because in the UK pizza hut do hire their own drivers. I assumed that they would in the US as well but I guess not.
Why would they do that when they can make an extra $0.03 this quarter? </s>
Lots here still do too.
But I notice that both Pizza Hut and Papa Johns will send orders out to DoorDash when they don’t have enough drivers, or if the orders don’t have good tips / don’t line up with areas the drivers are going to.
I also know you can order Pizza Hut from DoorDash directly instead of via the Pizza Hut website.
Many Pizza Huts do hire their own drivers.
For context, here is an actual Uber Eats offer to a driver from 5 days ago:
That’s 5.68 an hour, ridiculous. The system should reject anything that’s below minimum wage equivalent at a bare minimum.
5.68 minus gas and wear and tear on your vehicle.
I do some DD for extra cash sometimes, and see shit like this all the time. I don’t know who’s taking this shit, but it isn’t me.
It should be minimum wage plus standard mileage cost at minimum, perhaps. In the US the IRS rate is 72.5 cents per mile right now, so if you figure that in for the 19 mile trip that’s over $13 just to break even.
It’s a 19 minute / 2.4 mile trip. But your point still stands - you’re not covering wear and tear.
Ah, well thanks for the correction! That number just attached to the wrong variable in my brain I guess.
I’ve been driving (passengers, not food) for 2 years and you really can’t imagine how predatory and exploitative it is these days. Gas prices way up, fares way down, and Uber just spent $10 billion in our stolen wages on driverless vehicles to replace us. I’m trying to get out ASAP.
Edit: Also, just wanted to add that it’s $5.68/hr BEFORE gas and wear-and-tear expenses.
How do you feel about people who refuse to use ride-share like Uber because it’s exploiting labor? I don’t want to give them any money because fuck them, but some of my friends say the drivers need money so refusing to use it is only hurting them.
I love it. I hope everyone stops using them. I can’t believe I ever supported them. But I think they’ll be hard to get rid of, because they were allowed to shove out the cabs in most areas. Illinois drivers actually created their own app, which is epic. But it took years of work and I have no idea where to start, but I hope more states see that kind of effort.
Around me the Uber did really well and it was 100% the taxi driver’s fault.
They used to do this thing where they would hang around the train station hoping that somebody wanted to go to the airport, because the airport wouldn’t let the taxi drivers sit outside the terminal building but they could go in there if they were dropping someone off, then they would be able to pick up some tourist on the way out, so every time you didn’t want to go to the airport they would always claim that they just got a call and won’t take you. So it was basically impossible to actually use the taxis unless you legitimately wanted to go to the airport.
So people used to call an Uber, and the Ubers would come and pick people up right in front of the taxi drivers and they couldn’t see why this was a problem until much later, when they started to complain and said the local council should ban Uber.
Yeah, if it comes out below minimum wage there should be a higher amount being paid to the driver for the delivery side of the payment, expecting anyone to work for pretty much just tips is very bad business. I wish more of the price increase on the menu went to the driver.
These drivers are their own business and they’re just maximizing revenue according to market incentives, just like any other business. So Pizza Hut has enshittified themselves. Well done. I guess it looked a lot better in the excel sheet and presentation.
“We’re a franchise and we want to cheap out on a working system by implementing a new technology which is a sycophant AI full of bugs and problems, which has a high risk of causing us a shit load of money. But then we get angry and sue if it doesn’t work.”
Well, you get what you paid for.
It’s like the early days of the internet. Companies like airlines going online with their ticket system with little to no cyber-security, and then complain when loads of people fly for free by just giving themselves a free ticket or lose loads of money by a simple bug charging people $0.
Maybe wait for a proper and safe working system instead?
Tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me.
franchisee Chaac Pizza Northeast accused Pizza Hut of forcing stores to adopt Dragontail, a delivery-management platform that Pizza Hut described as using artificial intelligence to “optimize” food delivery, despite what the suit calls obvious incompatibilities with Chaac’s business model.
I’m all for hating ai bullshit but some people do so to blindly
You don’t know what a franchise is do you?
The franchises are just businesses that are told what to do by Pizza Hut Central HQ who have to be obeyed for the franchises to keep their franchise. So if pizza hut want to implement an AI system then an AI system is implemented, how is that the fault of the franchises?
Pizza hut isn’t a franchise?
It’s literally in the title of the post.
Pizza Hut, LLC is an American multinational pizza restaurant chain and international franchise founded in 1958 in Wichita, Kansas, by brothers Dan and Frank Carney. The chain, headquartered in Plano, Texas, operates 19,974 restaurants worldwide as of 2025.
I think you’re confusing “franchise” and “franchisee”.
The obvious answer to the problem no one seems to have mentioned yet:
Pay the drivers by the hour, not by the amount of orders.
Performance-based pay has never worked, and always incentivises bad behaviour. They wouldn’t try to batch so many orders for a single trip if it wasn’t the only way they could make passable money.
Paying more money for better results doesn’t fit into the world view of many business decision makers.
No no. We don’t do obvious solutions.
I was hoping there’s some kind of free exploit thing with the AI to give myself free pizza.
This has gotta happen somewhere eventually as companies integrate their agents deeply into their systems.
Wtf, pizza hut doesn’t employ their own delivery drivers anymore? Sounds like they are complaining because they outsourced delivery and now they don’t like how the work is getting done.
Exactly. Hire your own drivers if you want it the way you want it. They made a big deal when California minimum wage went up that they were going to fire every driver and use DoorDash. This is the quality you get with that choice
I was a delivery guy for a local pizzeria once upon a time (and that place still has their own drivers, and even their own delivery vehicles, which is practically unheard of)
And I’m not gonna lie, door dash and such was great for a while because it let me get food delivered from restaurants that otherwise didn’t do delivery.
But I’ve stopped using them, for a few reasons including their shitty business practices
But the straw that broke the camels back in each case that made me delete was them fucking up my order.
And that happens, I’m not particularly mad at the store or the driver, I’ve been there
But the way that these delivery apps handle it is, to me, unacceptable.
When I contacted them, their response was to just issue me a refund.
And to me, what should have happened, is I should have immediately had a replacement sent, expedited as much as possible, at no extra cost.
That’s what we always did when I was a delivery guy, and often with a gift certificate as an apology.
And sure, a refund on top of that would be nice, but really the root issue is that I don’t have the food I ordered. If I order it again, I’m going to the back of the delivery queue, and if I happened to order it when I was low on money I may not even be able to reorder it that day because that refund often takes a couple days to clear.
Consider yourself lucky.
I used them exactly one time. The driver brought the wrong food, the name and order weren’t even close.
Doordash refused to send a new driver, best they could offer was a credit for not even half the price. Even escalating customer service just got the credit converted to a refund, again for less than half of the charge. The rep could not explain to me what service I had received to justify keeping most of my money.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doordash-pizza-hut-minimum-wage-hikes-california-new-york-city/
Pizza Hut is laying off more than 1,200 delivery drivers in California ahead of the state’s nearly 30% increase in its minimum wage, to $20 an hour from $16. PacPizza, operating as Pizza Hut, and Southern California Pizza Co. — another Pizza Hut franchise, both gave notice of layoffs impacting workers in cities throughout the state, Business Insider reported, citing notices filed with the state.
OMGAWD just that sentence… what is this place bro
They made a big deal when California minimum wage went up that they were going to fire every driver and use DoorDash.
Yeah how fucking stupid. Domino’s isn’t the greatest but still delivers their own pies and get added bonus of points to free pizza.
By the way Doordash always worked like that. Why only time ever use it was the last. Food arrived cold due to drivers picking up multiple different orders sometimes at different businesses. Horrible service.
By the way Doordash always worked like that
It really sucks when that happens, but at least DoorDash and Uber tell you that it’s being delivered to someone else first.
What I really hate, is when they are working 2 different apps, have my food, and then go in the exact opposite direction of my home to do the other apps delivery first, and neither service cares as long as it’s delivered to you by the latest expected time.
This is why I stopped using any delivery apps in pretty quick order. They were way too expensive and places that were 10 - 15 minutes away were taking upwards of 30 minutes to get delivered after pickup and arriving cold.
And the only reason it makes sense to do that at all is because Doordash pays their drivers like shit, so they have to find ways to make more money doing things like batching orders.
Honestly I would assume that when they had their own drivers they would leave woth a few orders at a time, (though I could definitely be wrong).
Hire your own drivers if you want it the way you want it.
Read the article, they can’t… Pizza Hut mandates the use of the new system
The lawsuit argues Pizza Hut breached its franchise agreement by mandating continued use of the software while failing to exercise “reasonable business judgment” or modify the system to accommodate Chaac’s reliance on DoorDash drivers.
To me that sounds like Chaac’s reliance on DoorDash drivers is not the norm.
They mandate the system, not outsourcing to DoorDash. That’s a franchise choice. They could use in house drivers with the system.
Okay, but they’re the ones staking their lives on Pizza Hut’s brand for their franchise instead of just making actually decent pizza under their own name and making an honest buck. I couldn’t care less about them seeing the consequences of their own selfish, greedy decisions.
leave it to lemmy to downvote an objective fact
It’s why I stopped ordering them. DoorDash marks up the price so much on Pizza Hut it’s not remotely competitive.
We ordered dominos from dominos and it was delivered by uber.
Uber are hopeless where I live, so we had a conversation the other night and went to get pizza and picked not to order from them because we don’t want uber to have our food again
The trick is any time a third party delivers pizza you call and bitch to the chain. They have zero way to do anything about the problem but refund you or give you a discount.
Infinite free discounts basically. And the dumb part 99% of the time any complaints are normally entirely legit and reasonable cause of how often they fuck up.
If you want your local pizza place to go back to inhouse delivery you HAVE to do this. Or the cheap ass owner 100% will keep going with the cheap out source solution.
Make it more expensive and a loss to out source. Or nothing will improve.
Well shit, that’s what they get for putting all those stoners out of work smh.
Pizza hut should be a fucking textbook case study on how to run a much-beloved brand into the ground.
Quiznos might be slightly worse- they were in financial trouble so their brilliant solution was let’s fuck over our franchisees. I’ll give you 3 guesses how that worked out, but you’ll only need one.
Yeah, Pizza Hut used to be the gold standard for Pizza. Sometimes we couldn’t afford it and we’d have to get another brand, but we’d pine for the pizza hut we wished we had.
I had friends whose parents would always order a Pizza Hut pizza every single Friday. Never missed a Friday.
It was so fun to go to the restaurant too. It smelled so friggin’ good in there and those pan pizzas we’re just absolutely perfect fresh served to your table. I think they used to put butter on the crust. It was all dark in there and they had those red candles; almost seemed like a sacred place. lol
Now they’re so terrible. All the chain Pizza places have weird cheese that tastes like shit and all the toppings seem like they’re just fake, like you’re eating plastic or something. Gross.
I used to love going to Quiznos. Never see them anymore hah.
Quiznos had amazing quality when they first opened but it dropped when they tried to compete with the subway $5 footlong deal. They should have differentiated themselves as the premium sandwich brand because while subway is pretty good, Quiznos early on was a whole other level. Me and my housemate at the time used to go there and order 2 subs, one for now and one for later (that often worked out to be right after the first one was done, in practice).
There were some locations that stayed open around here for a like a decade after, but it was always disappointing going there. They were still better than subway but only marginally.
I like Firehouse Subs these days. Not quite as good as Quiznos at its peak, but closer to that than Subway (which was always better than Mr Sub).
Quizno’s had a steak/cheddar sub with this mustardy BBQ sauce that I can still remember pretty vividly.
One of my usuals was a prime rib with this sauce that I can’t even remember other than it was delicious. I think the other one I used to get was a phily cheesesteak, though can’t remember for sure. They were very popular around that time, I remember McDonald’s actually had the best philly cheasesteak sauce at the time from the ones I tried, but Quiznos would have had a better overall sandwich if they did do one.
Me, too. Used to be 4,700 locations, now down to about 150, apparently.
Apparently if you screw the franchisees and make it impossible for them to make any money, they stop being franchisees and close their stores.
Unfortunately, this outcome could not have been predicted ahead of time.
the franchisee bringing the suit operates ONE HUNDRED ELEVEN pizza huts, i don’t give a shit what happens to them
