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Plex has announced a massive price increase on the service’s Lifetime Plex Pass. On July 1, the lifetime subscription option will go from $249.99 to $749.99, an increase of 200%. The price hike will only apply to new subscribers, with no changes to monthly or annual subscription pricing.
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Probably going to get hate for this. But I have easily gotten 750 dollars worth of value out of my lifetime subscription. I’m sure they are doing this to drive down lifetime subscriptions and increase month to month. But I legit think 750 over 20 years it’s still a legit price.
I wish jellyfin and the apps could ship with something like wireguard setup by default so people that use the jellyfin apps could instantly watch media outside their house without learning what wireguard/tailscale is
The fact that’s needed at all is the problem. Developers need to stop making monolithic structures that have access to everything ever and putting it on the user to maintain to maintain a VPN network for security.
There’s no reason I should not be able to just use an nginx reverse proxy for remote access to my jellyfin and have that be safe. It should at worst give people a copy of my media if there’s a security issue.
Personally I went out of my way to make this be the case, i have my instance locked into an unprivileged lxc whitelist only on syscalls which took a while to figure out the minimum needed for function but I got there. The host System is using the hardened kernel from Upstream and a series of sysctl lockdowns for example P Trace is not allowed even if you are the root user.
So I do indeed just nginx reverse proxy my instant because the worst case scenario even if they got complete shell access to the system they would be locked into an unprivileged container that had no access to any files other than my media files but the fact that I have to go to this level is already ridiculous
It should at worst give people a copy of my media if there’s a security issue.
that’s not the worst possibility. the worst possibility is an RCE into your server.
Personally I went out of my way to make this be the case, i have my instance locked into an unprivileged lxc whitelist only on syscalls which took a while to figure out the minimum needed for function but
that’s a pretty exotic setup. Exciting, but for most people learning to manage a VPN is easier
It should at worst give people a copy of my media if there’s a security issue.
that’s not the worst possibility. the worst possibility is an RCE into your server.
Personally I went out of my way to make this be the case, i have my instance locked into an unprivileged lxc whitelist only on syscalls which took a while to figure out the minimum needed for function but
that’s a pretty exotic setup. Exciting, but for most people learning to manage a VPN is easier
I am aware that an rce is the worst possibility I’m saying it shouldn’t be. The web portion is already its own isolated binary that you have to install but it’s designed with seemingly very little attention to security.
To the point that jellyfin has already had several major RCE and despite having full support for running over the web with http developers are basically just like you should not be using this without a VPN which is overall a pretty pathetic stance for a media server
My old kodi setup just works, year after year, and will work 10 years from now too…
there are a lot of us still on Plex that hadn’t reached the threshold of issues vs effort that would motivate us to migrate to something like jellyfin.
looks like we’ve arrived.
I have the lifetime pass, bought it for like $80 many moons ago.
looks like we’ve arrived.
Agreed, this is the tipping point. This is where we will see Plex start to abandon the lifetime pass in favor of “imaginary money line go up forever” subscriptions.
I already have a lifetime Plex pass so this isn’t an issue for me. 6 months from now when Plex decides my lifetime pass has a new expiry, then I’ll be motivated.
this exactly. I got a lifetime pass in the before times (pre-pandemic) back when they were $100 bucks ish, but I know it’s only a matter of time before they come for us grandfathered-in fools.
Jellyfin isn’t great, but it sure doesn’t have this problem.
Enshittification in action.
Never used Plex. Jellyfin has always met my needs, so I never bothered to try it.
Plex has been around quite a while longer than JF. Before JF, the only way to really have a “self-hosted Netflix” was with Plex, so there are a lot of us who built our long-standing media setups around that.
That said, I have a JF instance running and matched almost 1:1 with Plex specifically for this situation, so I’m going to start pivoting everyone to that as I wind Plex down.
Just to say: MythTv is still a thing…
Ahh, memories. The start of my Linux journey nearly 20 years ago
Jellyfin has lots and lots of tutorials, fyi. it’s not as intimidating as it seems once you get going with it.
And Plex doesn’t require any. It’s okay to accept that one product can be more polished than the other, and Plex has a lot of stuff that “just works”
Jellyfin also „just works“. Getting it going is just as simple as plex.
Have you tried Jellyfin?
People who dont know a lot of tech stuff cant set it up to access while outside the house so i wouldnt say it “just works”
This is the most hilarious lie I think I’ve seen in a while from open source on here. To be clear I use it as my daily driver, I switched off Plex a long time ago when I saw the writing on the wall.
But I still have issues with media matching to this day, issues where subtitles on certain devices just refuse to display no matter what you do. And the server still loves to randomly take up absolutely massive amounts of memory for seemingly no reason whatsoever I ended up making a strip to just forcibly kill it and restart it every 12 hours to prevent it from eating the entire system’s memory.
And no my file naming is not the media issue everything I do is properly named exactly as jelly fin documentation says it wants by sonarr. Not to mention you are expected to maintain a VPN system just for accessing your media away from home as the web interface is so hilariously unsecured as to be a constant source of major system vulnerability.
It’s usable, but it’s not as just works as Plex I have thousands of TV shows, anime, and movies as in thousands of each of those categories and Plex never once failed to match to the correct media, never had a problem just playing subtitles on any client, and I think only ever had one major issue with the web interface in terms of security? There’s been lots of minor ones that would give people essentially just access to Plex but not the underlying system
I’ll admit I haven’t really looked into it, but how is the Jellyfin web interface insecure? I don’t currently, but in the past I’ve used ssh reverse port forwarding to my VPS and then used an Apache proxy and letsencrypt for ssl on a subdomain. Maybe I was just lucky, but I never had any problems.
It has had a pretty high number of RCE exploits including one recently the architecture of the web service is just very poor and leads to a lot of basic problems.
Personally I am not a fan of the language they chose, and I think it directly leads to a lot of these problems but that’s just like my opinion man.
The server itself also has tons of issues like the constant memory leaks that cause it to eat up endless amounts of memory that they don’t seem interested in fixing and basically once again push it to the users to deal with and a bunch of the boot lickers are like yeah you just need to put it in a Docker and limit its maximum memory as if that’s just normal and expected to need to do
It has had a pretty high number of RCE exploits including one recently the architecture of the web service is just very poor and leads to a lot of basic problems.
So they had an RCE that got fixed therefore the software is bad and insecure. Therefore every OS and basically any enterprise software that was ever used is insecure.
Got it.
That would be the case, however the devs official stance is it’s unsafe and should not be used other than over vpn. So they also agree
Ah, yeah, guess I never realized it’s a .NET program. Never understood why an open source dev would choose .NET, but what can you do.
Also despise Docker (especially the modern over-reliance on it), but that always gets me into trouble when I admit that publicly.
I have it running in parallel with Plex to keep an eye on its progress. There is a lot of things that do not just work. Hardware Encoding for example, or safe remote access
And Plex doesn’t require any. It’s okay to accept that one product can be more polished than the other, and Plex has a lot of stuff that “just works”
And it is ok to accept that Plex is getting worse and worse. Only reason why ppl use it these days is because they still have an old lifetime pass. As soon as they take it away or introduce a new tier of features or even removing features of it, they will swarming away from Plex.
And they will!
OC never said anything to do with your comment, you seem to be really offended by recommending an alternative to a tool that you use.
My comment wasn’t for you then, it’s for people curious in an alternative but may be hesitant. Some people enjoy learning new things.
The Jellyfin vs Plex thing always struck me as odd. As in - why are we holding JF to a different standard to (say) Immich, Syncthing, Pi-hole or any one of a thousand different programs people self host?
Yes, JF ships multi-user accounts and client apps etc. I get it, “multi-use” is implied, so the comparison isn’t totally unfair. But there’s a difference between ‘this feature exists’ and ‘this is the primary purpose of the tool’.
The fact that you CAN share it externally doesn’t mean everyone running JF is doing that, or that it should be the benchmark the whole project is judged by.
To me, self host means “I host it, myself” not “I host it and then pretend to be Netflix for family and friends”. If that’s the use case, then of course, Plex away.
It’s cool that you CAN share JF externally, and it’s cool that Plex does that differently / better. We shouldn’t hold one to the standards of the other.
I “defend” plex against silly complaints, but jesus christ that is one giant leap for no gain. That’s stupid, no one will pay that - though I tend to think that’s the whole point.
I got this on Black Friday many years ago for ~70 and despite the pass I am slowly moving over to Jellyfin. I really don’t see how they came up with this valuation, seems like a last money squeeze before abandoning ship.
Everything changed when they signed that A24 deal, and its not even the good movies, its the shitty also-rans. They want revenue now.
They don’t want lifetime licenses to sell, they want monthly subscriptions from everyone.
A gentle reminder that Jellyfin exists to those thinking of alternatives.
A gentle reminder that Jellyin more or less requires you to set up a reverse proxy and a secure VPN to use it outside of your home.
Why would you not do that anyway?
Because if I’m watching locally I dont need them, and if I’m watching remotely Plex already offers secure remote viewing 'out of the box`. They give every user an SSL certificate and a public accessible URL at app.plex.tv. They also handle secure user authentication. The new price is stupid, but Jellyfin is not a 1:1 replacement.
As someone who picked up lifetime for like $45 or whatever it was (I think a 50% off sale?) what must have been 15 years ago…
I run jellyfin. Its just a better experience IMO.
I’m sorry but you can hate Plex and prefer jellyfin all you want, but you don’t have to lie. Nothing about jellyfin is a “better experience” than Plex.
What are some examples?
It doesn’t cost $750.
Neither does Plex.
…to stream your own media, hosted on your own server 😅
Don’t have to make an account, for starters. Gives you more detailed control of transcoding options, audio playback and whatnot.
The UI is worse, that much is true, but that’s not the end all be all of user experience.
Making an account is what allows the easy library sharing and remote streaming, something that Plex is significantly better than JellyFin at.
What transcoding options does it have that Plex doesn’t?
How is Plex significantly better than Jellyfin at those things? I can just create a user in 2 seconds on the admin dashboard for Jellyfin, set a temporary password and my friend can log in and change it to whatever they want.
I can even limit the streaming bitrate to the account if I need to avoid bandwidth issues.
Unless your user comes and logs in on your network, and only streams when they’re at your house, then you’ve just opened your server to the world.
Plex has bandwidth controls.
Tailscale and IP whitelisting are both viable options
They mentioned remote streaming which jellyfin doesn’t have a secure way to do by itself
No, but that’s easy to setup with Tailscale or a myriad of other solutions for free.
For free (FOSS), and is way better than Plex
If you ignore the mostly horrendous UI, the security problems, the worse transcoding performance, the harder setup, the difficulty to access it remotely in a safe way,… Yeah sure, way better
The ui can be improved with community addons like moonfin but i agree it would be nice if they improved these out of the box
I couldn’t care less about the client design, since you have free choice there. If only the devs could be arsed to fix the issues that prevent me from just putting it behind a reverse proxy. If I could let people use it without exposing what is essentially an open door or forcing them to install a vpn, I would probably do that and slowly ween off Plex
This is a good illustration of the tradeoff of free software.
Jellyfin is core software, its mission is serving media, not providing auth or secure access. Those can be handled by other projects.
When you say “the devs can’t be arsed”, I think you’re misunderstanding that they won’t ever work on this, because that isnt the model.
The tradeoff with “free” (both in terms of free speech and free beer) is that work you need to do yourself to connect those pieces.
How are other projects going to handle using the Jellyfin app to log into Jellyfin? I don’t understand this. I see sentiments like this pretending Jellyfin is perfect like they don’t understand why people use Plex. I want to give my mom a URL that she can login to (or even better she gives me a code) after she downloads an app. What is the point of Jellyfin itself not handling this? It’s pointless. If I’m going to have a half baked server app, I might as well just use Kodi. They can be as stubborn as they want with this but people need these very basic things. I’d actually donate money to the project if they didn’t stubbornly REFUSE to do the main thing every Plex user wants. Other projects don’t need to do this. The Jellyfin developers need to. I first tried Jellyfin 6 years ago and this is STILL an issue and so I just stay on Plex because I’ve already got lifetime. I WANT to move to Jellyfin but I need to give normies access to my stuff and apparently that’s a wontfix for them?? I can host all this shit myself. I just need it all built in and for the apps to support it. I don’t think anyone is crazy to want this right?
If you use it weekly it shouldn’t be free to you, certainly if you use it more frequently than that. Give money to the projects you depend on or they will disappear.
Supporting software that you use by paying for it?
Ew.
/kidding
I’m a very happy lifetime membership owner and have zero problem with them removing features from the free version. Free doesn’t pay the bills unless you want to become the product.
It’s not better in any way other than cost. That cost comes with massive drawbacks.
Isn’t that 300%
With the original price as $250, a 100% increase would be adding the entire value to itself once (i.e doubling) taking us to $500.
A 200% increase is adding the $250 to the original two times for a total of $750.
So calling it a “200% increase” is correct.
It is true to say that “$750 is 300% of $250” or that “The price has tripled” - both correct, but the increase is only 200% because increase doesn’t include the original as part of the value.
TBH—and I’m not a native English speaker—I think it’s a bit ambiguously phrased. “Increase by 200%” would be more clear.
This makes perfect sense, thank you
Fine. Forget about it.
I’ve gotten my money’s worth out of the $74.99 I paid for Plex Pass Lifetime several years ago. If they ever get rid of my Plex Pass and try to say “Lifetime didn’t actually mean Lifetime”, I’ll be gone.
We’ve seen other companies pull this move by saying “lifetime” only applies to X version.
Except when I bought my lifetime it meant lifetime for the SERVICE, not the app…
Did it. I don’t remember it saying that. And I bought it around the same time as you since I paid the same price.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean Plex will do it.
While that’s true, it is in the standard VC playbook to make that move. Since they seem to be using that playbook, there will come a point in the monetization program where the lifetime membership becomes a blocker, which is overcome by diluting the lifetime account to increase the appeal of the subscription by comparison.
So, while nobody in here is named Nostradamus, it does not take a clairvoyance to see the future in this case. Countless other companies have followed this same program, with only minor variation, to extract revenue from the product like a strip mine. If I see 100 companies perform a 15-or-so step monetization spiral, it is not a leap of logic to think Plex is going to do steps 9-15 since we’ve just seen them do steps 1-8.
The lifetime membership will never be a blocked thanks to this price update.
I’ve never had a lifetime license be taken away other than the company going out of business.
I like to think I got my money out of mine as well, even though I only used it for like a year or two before switching to jellyfin.
