Cool, but it’d be a lot cooler if it wasn’t on Twitch.
E: really depressing to see that even people on the Threadiverse don’t understand Big Tech problems and how they impact our daily lives, or can even fathom the idea of anyone making a difference.
What? They are supposed to use some small unknown platform? Like how do you expect people to be able to access something if they don’t know that it exists
He’s been office for 5 months! Why isn’t everything perfect? Ffs, we have a guy in the white house trying to burn the world down so he can make a buck. Put your ire towards trump, but your thoughtful criticism towards Mamdani.
Things will continue to stay the same until someone has the courage to change it. Mamdani is an incredibly influential person and has a lot of power to change the status quo.
imo the world (and new york) has bigger problems than streaming platforms
You’re not listening. “Streaming platforms” are not the problem. Big Tech is the problem. And its a massive one that people may or may not understand completely. Streaming on Twitch is not just not solving that problem, its actively contributing to it. I figured the people here would know better but I suppose there’s not even any hope for that.
Not sure if Mamdani is the vehicle for that kind of change
Many young people are on Twitch. You go where the people are first, then go where you want them to follow. You have to interact with society to change it.
“Streaming platforms” are not the problem. Big Tech is the problem.
For New Yorkers? He’s talking directly to people who he is responsible for. Maybe you should be educating those people on the impact of big tech like Amazon owning Twitch. They’re worried about grocery prices and getting to work on time so they don’t get fired and lose their only source of healthcare. They’re dealing with unfair labor laws and apparently a horrible landlord regime. I support any effort you make towards that kind of advocacy, but you are up against stiff competition for their attention, and therefore his.
I am aware of the issue. I don’t use Twitch. I will not watch Mamdani on Twitch. I am just letting you know, you need to talk to lawmakers about this and pressure them. This guy’s job is literally to listen to his constituents. Apparently, his constituents are speaking on Twitch. Amazon owns The Washington Post, Amazon TV, MGM, and Twitch. This is not good. Write your representatives and keep spreading awareness.
Why can’t he be?
Not saying he can’t. I’m saying whether or not he is. He’s the Mayor of New York City, not a senator or any other kind of law maker. It’s like saying “why didn’t Obama do medicare for all?” Well did congress propose that? He signs laws, not write them. That is the job of a lawmaker. Mayors and all other offices of governing are not offices of lawmaking unless your name is Trump apparently.
Maybe you should be educating those people on the impact of big tech like Amazon owning Twitch
Education is not the problem. Everyone knows, they just don’t care. What is needed is influence and courage. He has the former.
They’re worried about grocery prices and getting to work on time so they don’t get fired and lose their only source of healthcare.
That’s exactly the problem that he’s contributing to. We have these problems because we vote for fucking horrendous politicians that are promoted and funded by Big Tech billionaires. This isn’t a secret. They were all photographed sitting at Trump’s inauguration, and all “donated” to and bribed him. These are all the people that Mamdani purports to oppose, but he’s actually actively supporting them when streaming on Bozos TV.
Not saying he can’t. I’m saying whether or not he is.
We already know he is not. That is not the conversation I am having.
He’s the Mayor of New York City, not a senator or any other kind of law maker.
Why are we talking about making laws? No one is asking him to make laws.
Disagree. My mom doesn’t. Terminally online people do.
Mamdani isn’t contributing to an issue by using Twitch. You fail to understand that there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Not saying don’t boycott, but you are up against forces bigger than Mamdani and your issues are not a single individual, yet you project them onto individuals. A tell-tale sign of a young person who wants change but doesn’t know where to direct it.
You aren’t having a conversation, you’re just trying to get mad at Mamdani for using Twitch when you didn’t want him to. That’s allowed, but him doing his fucking job is not the issue here, despite it being on Twitch.
We’re talking about making laws because that’s the solution to your problem.
I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean? We should ignore glaring problems because other problems exist?
Mamdani isn’t contributing to an issue by using Twitch
He is driving money and traffic to Twitch and funding one of the most prolific and worst tech billionaires. I’m not sure how you can possibly argue with that, but please, go on.
You fail to understand that there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.
I’ve just described several methods, so no, that’s simply incorrect. Is it going to be as easy? No. But nothing worth doing ever is.
you are up against forces bigger than Mamdani
Mamdani is an influential person with the influence to create an ethical snowball.
You aren’t having a conversation
…what would you call this?
you’re just trying to get mad at Mamdani
You’re projecting. I’m not mad at him and I’ve said nothing to indicate that I was. You just made that up.
We’re talking about making laws because that’s the solution to your problem.
Could be, but its not necessary. And certainly not relevant to this conversation.
This feels a little like a “take this great thing and find something to complain about”.
I don’t think you’re recognizing the challenges of live streaming to thousands of people at once. This would destroy any existing Peertube instance, and there is no reason for NY to set up their own when most of the population is elsewhere. I’m all for federation, but the infrastructure isn’t there for this.
I’ll personally choose to celebrate when leaders do something great instead of nitpicking their platform choices.
I’m not even complaining, just pointing out the obvious, even though I understand why it’s the way it is.
As the other commenter said in a reply to this, people are quick to complain about a better solution just because it isn’t perfect. But I’m not complaining because frankly I don’t care that much.
I’m not from NYC, I’m not from the USA and I’m not even from that continent.
It’s cool Zohran won the election, you guys should celebrate his feats and criticise his faults.
It is not just him, but also the people he is trying to reach. Even if he gets assistance & the resources to set up an independent platform for this, he still has to get people to use it - which is a much higher bar to meet.
That is true but its also extremely important. And will never happen until someone has the influence and the courage to make it happen. He definitely has the former.
That sounds like a moderation nightmare, engagement nightmare or both. Twitch is a big established platform that makes it easy to reach people. It’s nor great but it will serve his purpose better than sacrificing the message for principle.
Gonna send emails? No way, 90% of people use Gmail and you shouldn’t give Google traffic.
Stand up your own website? Well it better not be in AWS, GCP or Azure. You’re still gonna need DDOS protection and the ability to scale to hundreds of thousands of users for this event so I hope you have the money to build your own datacenter. But be sure you’re making your own ethical internet backbone. Don’t want your money going to Verizon or Sprint.
Maybe thats all a little too complicated so we’ll need to go analog. But have you ever mailed a letter? USPS is run by fascists, gotta do better. Get on a bike (can’t have those emissions!) and hand deliver your 20k political zines. But don’t put it in their mailboxes, that’s reinforcing the status quo.
Psychotic is looking at the problem we have with Big Tech and saying “yes, this is fine!”
Gonna send emails? No way, 90% of people use Gmail and you shouldn’t give Google traffic.
WTF are you talking about? You realize there are thousands of email platforms not owned by Big Tech? You could even host your own. You just chose the worst example imaginable, because email itself is free and federated.
Well it better not be in AWS, GCP or Azure.
Sure, why not? Again, there are thousands of alternatives. You can even host it on your own hardware.
I hope you have the money to build your own datacenter.
LOL you don’t need a “datacenter”.
But have you ever mailed a letter? USPS is run by fascists
I don’t ever use mail for anything that I can possibly avoid. Let me tell you about this thing called email…
Get on a bike (can’t have those emissions!) and hand deliver your 20k political zines.
You say that like FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. don’t exist.
serious mental illness characterized by defective or lost contact with reality often with hallucinations or delusions
Example:
looking at the problem we have with Big Tech and saying “yes, this is fine!”
Absolutely nobody here is doing that. Nobody in this entire comment section has said anything close to that. Car dependant infrastructure and fossil fuels are bad but you still have to get in your car and go to work if you want to not die.
You realize there are thousands of email platforms not owned by Big Tech? You could even host your own.
Gmail is 30% of global email traffic. It doesn’t matter what platform I choose, my message is still going to end up in someone’s Gmail inbox and stolen by AI.
If I was taking that problem seriously I would at least cut out Apple, Gmail and Microsoft domains and automatically lose 84% of my mailing list. Why don’t you care about that?
Sure, why not? Again, there are thousands of alternatives. You can even host it on your own hardware.
Why not should be obvious: the NYC Mayor’s office isn’t in the market of building, hosting, operating or managing social media platforms. Full stop. That takes money, time, marketing and expertise and provides zero value to his constituents beyond performative fuzzy feelings.
If you’re so smart and righteous what’s stopping you from building your own platform for these politicians? Why the fuck should Mamdani have to do it? And make sure to build up 240 million MAU while you’re at it, this has to compete with Twitch’s reach.
LOL you don’t need a “datacenter”.
Well shit somebody call up Amazon and let them know! This genius has figured out a way to host an interactive live streaming service scalable to millions of simultaneous users from his closet.
Let me tell you about this thing called email…
See my comments above, you’re sacrificing your own privacy and feeling sanctimonious about it. Snail mail has far stronger legal and physical protections than your email.
You say that like FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. don’t exist.
You. You are doing that. You’re telling me that he shouldn’t consider a different platform, he should continue generating revenue for Bozos, and that any other option is “psychotic”. I don’t know how you possibly form an argument otherwise.
Gmail is 30% of global email traffic. It doesn’t matter what platform I choose, my message is still going to end up in someone’s Gmail inbox
Why does that matter? You can make that choice for yourself, as can Mamdani. He cannot control other people’s actions (unless by law), but he van 100% control his own.
Why not should be obvious: the NYC Mayor’s office isn’t in the market of building, hosting, operating or managing social media platforms. Full stop.
My response should also be obvious; they are also not “in the market” of running Twitch livestreams. He can elect to do that regardless.
That takes money, time, marketing and expertise and provides zero value to his constituents beyond performative fuzzy feelings.
It provides a platform that his constituents can follow and engage with him on that isn’t owned by the broligarchy, and doesn’t require them to subject themselves to all the horrific things billionaires make them do. Again, this should be super obvious to anyone with an absolute modicum of sense.
Well shit somebody call up Amazon and let them know!
Holy shit, do you really think Mamdani is going to have the fucking entirety of Twitch watching his livestream simultaneously? Did you think about this before you blurted it out at all? Do you know anything at all about hosting infrastructure? Jesus Christ…
If you’re so smart and righteous what’s stopping you from building your own platform for these politicians?
…money? Money they have and I don’t? You call me a troll but you sure act like a paid actor sent to come here and ask stupid questions.
Why the fuck should Mamdani have to do it?
He shouldn’t. He doesn’t. He also doesn’t have to live stream at all. Short of those answers, because no one else is?
but don’t care about these corporate vultures?
I’m sure they’re all bad. You know what? There’s no alternative to them. Its a multi billion dollar business. You can’t say the same for Twitch. It probably wouldn’t even take $1k to set up a live streaming server that could handle Mamdani livestreaming levels of traffic.
Is he going to replace twitch and YouTube altogether with his own website? No. So this would just create friction for users, but not give anyone an option for moving off big tech streaming platforms
Because Twitch is owned by a tech oligopolist. One of a handful actively running this country into the ground. The one who paid Melania $28M to make a movie that no one wanted. (AKA a bribe). The one who’s responsible for killing more small businesses than anyone else, ever? I mean I could go on…
You can point out why my ideas are bad without being uncivil. Now you’re just being a dick. And for what? The crime of suggesting that someone might embrace free platforms? That’s fucked, my guy.
“Where they are” is actively being used to manipulate and control them. As long as he keeps “meeting people where they are”, that’s where they will remain, and he is actively contributing to perpetuating that. Change means taking them somewhere else.
They will remain there until content creators they regularly watch and enjoy start moving. Mamdani is not that. No one is going to be creating a twitch account just to watch this, nor would they do it for some much smaller platform they’ve never heard of. Mamdani is not the one that will get people to move to new platforms, at least, not before he gets them more interested in the first place. Young people like him specifically because he reaches out to them on a personal level on platforms they actually use.
Cool, but it’d be a lot cooler if it wasn’t on Twitch.
E: really depressing to see that even people on the Threadiverse don’t understand Big Tech problems and how they impact our daily lives, or can even fathom the idea of anyone making a difference.
What? They are supposed to use some small unknown platform? Like how do you expect people to be able to access something if they don’t know that it exists
He…tells them? The same way people access his Twitch livestream without knowing it exists. The same way we are finding out right now.
He’s been office for 5 months! Why isn’t everything perfect? Ffs, we have a guy in the white house trying to burn the world down so he can make a buck. Put your ire towards trump, but your thoughtful criticism towards Mamdani.
What does that even mean? At what point in his office should he start transitioning to free platforms, and why?
That’s just a slightly loaded question…
So…we shouldn’t concern ourselves with literally anything else?
Guess who gave a $28M bribe to The Guy In The White House Trying To Burn The World Down? The owner of Twitch.
He’s going where the working people are. That’s a people problem, honestly.
Things will continue to stay the same until someone has the courage to change it. Mamdani is an incredibly influential person and has a lot of power to change the status quo.
Agreed, but imo the world (and new york) has bigger problems than streaming platforms 😅 Not sure if Mamdani is the vehicle for that kind of change
You’re not listening. “Streaming platforms” are not the problem. Big Tech is the problem. And its a massive one that people may or may not understand completely. Streaming on Twitch is not just not solving that problem, its actively contributing to it. I figured the people here would know better but I suppose there’s not even any hope for that.
Why can’t he be?
Many young people are on Twitch. You go where the people are first, then go where you want them to follow. You have to interact with society to change it.
When does he do this part?
Maybe no longer time period than 5 months huh?
…huh?
Sometime after an amount of these, I don’t have foresight.
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
Because he has an actual job, and that isn’t part of it
Okay but livestreaming on Twitch is part of his job?
Communicating with the public is part of his job.
Oh okay, so it sounds like you agree with me then.
For New Yorkers? He’s talking directly to people who he is responsible for. Maybe you should be educating those people on the impact of big tech like Amazon owning Twitch. They’re worried about grocery prices and getting to work on time so they don’t get fired and lose their only source of healthcare. They’re dealing with unfair labor laws and apparently a horrible landlord regime. I support any effort you make towards that kind of advocacy, but you are up against stiff competition for their attention, and therefore his.
I am aware of the issue. I don’t use Twitch. I will not watch Mamdani on Twitch. I am just letting you know, you need to talk to lawmakers about this and pressure them. This guy’s job is literally to listen to his constituents. Apparently, his constituents are speaking on Twitch. Amazon owns The Washington Post, Amazon TV, MGM, and Twitch. This is not good. Write your representatives and keep spreading awareness.
Not saying he can’t. I’m saying whether or not he is. He’s the Mayor of New York City, not a senator or any other kind of law maker. It’s like saying “why didn’t Obama do medicare for all?” Well did congress propose that? He signs laws, not write them. That is the job of a lawmaker. Mayors and all other offices of governing are not offices of lawmaking unless your name is Trump apparently.
For literally everyone.
Education is not the problem. Everyone knows, they just don’t care. What is needed is influence and courage. He has the former.
That’s exactly the problem that he’s contributing to. We have these problems because we vote for fucking horrendous politicians that are promoted and funded by Big Tech billionaires. This isn’t a secret. They were all photographed sitting at Trump’s inauguration, and all “donated” to and bribed him. These are all the people that Mamdani purports to oppose, but he’s actually actively supporting them when streaming on Bozos TV.
We already know he is not. That is not the conversation I am having.
Why are we talking about making laws? No one is asking him to make laws.
There are many problems not caused by big tech.
Disagree. My mom doesn’t. Terminally online people do.
Mamdani isn’t contributing to an issue by using Twitch. You fail to understand that there is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. Not saying don’t boycott, but you are up against forces bigger than Mamdani and your issues are not a single individual, yet you project them onto individuals. A tell-tale sign of a young person who wants change but doesn’t know where to direct it.
You aren’t having a conversation, you’re just trying to get mad at Mamdani for using Twitch when you didn’t want him to. That’s allowed, but him doing his fucking job is not the issue here, despite it being on Twitch.
We’re talking about making laws because that’s the solution to your problem.
I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean? We should ignore glaring problems because other problems exist?
He is driving money and traffic to Twitch and funding one of the most prolific and worst tech billionaires. I’m not sure how you can possibly argue with that, but please, go on.
I’ve just described several methods, so no, that’s simply incorrect. Is it going to be as easy? No. But nothing worth doing ever is.
Mamdani is an influential person with the influence to create an ethical snowball.
…what would you call this?
You’re projecting. I’m not mad at him and I’ve said nothing to indicate that I was. You just made that up.
Could be, but its not necessary. And certainly not relevant to this conversation.
Where else, Kick?
OnlyZohrans.
He could livestream to multiple platforms.
Personally I’d enjoy a stream to any federated/open source platform like peertube.
Would it kill Lemmies to read the article
Still only corporate platforms unfortunately.
This feels a little like a “take this great thing and find something to complain about”.
I don’t think you’re recognizing the challenges of live streaming to thousands of people at once. This would destroy any existing Peertube instance, and there is no reason for NY to set up their own when most of the population is elsewhere. I’m all for federation, but the infrastructure isn’t there for this.
I’ll personally choose to celebrate when leaders do something great instead of nitpicking their platform choices.
I’m not even complaining, just pointing out the obvious, even though I understand why it’s the way it is.
As the other commenter said in a reply to this, people are quick to complain about a better solution just because it isn’t perfect. But I’m not complaining because frankly I don’t care that much.
I’m not from NYC, I’m not from the USA and I’m not even from that continent.
It’s cool Zohran won the election, you guys should celebrate his feats and criticise his faults.
the “perfect” is the enemy of “good enough”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0sSXESbTaM
Yeah, both users would enjoy the stream.
I mean ideally he would put it on his own website or something. Owncast?
You have an astronomically high bar for the average normie
He’s not a “normie”, he’s a politician. One who purports to be different from his colleagues, and opposes billionaires.
It is not just him, but also the people he is trying to reach. Even if he gets assistance & the resources to set up an independent platform for this, he still has to get people to use it - which is a much higher bar to meet.
That is true but its also extremely important. And will never happen until someone has the influence and the courage to make it happen. He definitely has the former.
That sounds like a moderation nightmare, engagement nightmare or both. Twitch is a big established platform that makes it easy to reach people. It’s nor great but it will serve his purpose better than sacrificing the message for principle.
Huh? What kind of moderation do you think is happening on Twitch?
Yes, that’s the problem.
The principle is the message.
Your argument is completely psychotic.
Gonna send emails? No way, 90% of people use Gmail and you shouldn’t give Google traffic.
Stand up your own website? Well it better not be in AWS, GCP or Azure. You’re still gonna need DDOS protection and the ability to scale to hundreds of thousands of users for this event so I hope you have the money to build your own datacenter. But be sure you’re making your own ethical internet backbone. Don’t want your money going to Verizon or Sprint.
Maybe thats all a little too complicated so we’ll need to go analog. But have you ever mailed a letter? USPS is run by fascists, gotta do better. Get on a bike (can’t have those emissions!) and hand deliver your 20k political zines. But don’t put it in their mailboxes, that’s reinforcing the status quo.
Psychotic is looking at the problem we have with Big Tech and saying “yes, this is fine!”
WTF are you talking about? You realize there are thousands of email platforms not owned by Big Tech? You could even host your own. You just chose the worst example imaginable, because email itself is free and federated.
Sure, why not? Again, there are thousands of alternatives. You can even host it on your own hardware.
LOL you don’t need a “datacenter”.
I don’t ever use mail for anything that I can possibly avoid. Let me tell you about this thing called email…
You say that like FedEx, DHL, UPS, etc. don’t exist.
You’re just trying real hard to be wrong.
psychosis
noun
psy·cho·sis sī-ˈkō-səs:
serious mental illness characterized by defective or lost contact with reality often with hallucinations or delusions
Example:
Absolutely nobody here is doing that. Nobody in this entire comment section has said anything close to that. Car dependant infrastructure and fossil fuels are bad but you still have to get in your car and go to work if you want to not die.
Gmail is 30% of global email traffic. It doesn’t matter what platform I choose, my message is still going to end up in someone’s Gmail inbox and stolen by AI.
If I was taking that problem seriously I would at least cut out Apple, Gmail and Microsoft domains and automatically lose 84% of my mailing list. Why don’t you care about that?
Why not should be obvious: the NYC Mayor’s office isn’t in the market of building, hosting, operating or managing social media platforms. Full stop. That takes money, time, marketing and expertise and provides zero value to his constituents beyond performative fuzzy feelings.
If you’re so smart and righteous what’s stopping you from building your own platform for these politicians? Why the fuck should Mamdani have to do it? And make sure to build up 240 million MAU while you’re at it, this has to compete with Twitch’s reach.
Well shit somebody call up Amazon and let them know! This genius has figured out a way to host an interactive live streaming service scalable to millions of simultaneous users from his closet.
See my comments above, you’re sacrificing your own privacy and feeling sanctimonious about it. Snail mail has far stronger legal and physical protections than your email.
Lmfao you’re here to shit on Big Tech but don’t care about these corporate vultures?
Bro try trolling a little bit harder.
You. You are doing that. You’re telling me that he shouldn’t consider a different platform, he should continue generating revenue for Bozos, and that any other option is “psychotic”. I don’t know how you possibly form an argument otherwise.
Why does that matter? You can make that choice for yourself, as can Mamdani. He cannot control other people’s actions (unless by law), but he van 100% control his own.
My response should also be obvious; they are also not “in the market” of running Twitch livestreams. He can elect to do that regardless.
It provides a platform that his constituents can follow and engage with him on that isn’t owned by the broligarchy, and doesn’t require them to subject themselves to all the horrific things billionaires make them do. Again, this should be super obvious to anyone with an absolute modicum of sense.
Holy shit, do you really think Mamdani is going to have the fucking entirety of Twitch watching his livestream simultaneously? Did you think about this before you blurted it out at all? Do you know anything at all about hosting infrastructure? Jesus Christ…
…money? Money they have and I don’t? You call me a troll but you sure act like a paid actor sent to come here and ask stupid questions.
He shouldn’t. He doesn’t. He also doesn’t have to live stream at all. Short of those answers, because no one else is?
I’m sure they’re all bad. You know what? There’s no alternative to them. Its a multi billion dollar business. You can’t say the same for Twitch. It probably wouldn’t even take $1k to set up a live streaming server that could handle Mamdani livestreaming levels of traffic.
Girl try disinforming a little harder.
Is he going to replace twitch and YouTube altogether with his own website? No. So this would just create friction for users, but not give anyone an option for moving off big tech streaming platforms
What he is going to do and what he could do are 2 different discussions.
Again, he certainly could, very easily.
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Because Twitch is owned by a tech oligopolist. One of a handful actively running this country into the ground. The one who paid Melania $28M to make a movie that no one wanted. (AKA a bribe). The one who’s responsible for killing more small businesses than anyone else, ever? I mean I could go on…
Well, fuck, I guess that means Democrats can no longer go on television, either, since most of those networks are also owned by nazis.
I guess we have to give up because this choad here doesn’t want to live in reality.
Good news, they don’t have to.
The personal attacks are not called for.
Sure they are.
The world is fucked up BECAUSE we stopped telling stupid people that their ideas are stupid.
I’ve never felt more strongly towards a comment before. Stupid people really are getting increasingly brazen. Enough is enough, tbh.
You can point out why my ideas are bad without being uncivil. Now you’re just being a dick. And for what? The crime of suggesting that someone might embrace free platforms? That’s fucked, my guy.
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so name a social media company that is not shit.
Owncast. Piefed. Peertube. Mastodon. etc. etc. etc.
If you’re trying to reach people, you need to go where they are.
“Where they are” is actively being used to manipulate and control them. As long as he keeps “meeting people where they are”, that’s where they will remain, and he is actively contributing to perpetuating that. Change means taking them somewhere else.
They will remain there until content creators they regularly watch and enjoy start moving. Mamdani is not that. No one is going to be creating a twitch account just to watch this, nor would they do it for some much smaller platform they’ve never heard of. Mamdani is not the one that will get people to move to new platforms, at least, not before he gets them more interested in the first place. Young people like him specifically because he reaches out to them on a personal level on platforms they actually use.
Do you just not understand the “chicken and egg” scenario you’re describing? Someone has to be first.
…and why not?
Again I ask, why not? Why couldn’t he be? Who better than someone with his influence, whose entire job it is to make life better for his constituents?
No one likes him because of the platforms he uses. They’re just already on those platforms.
I would be happily surprised to learn that any of those sites could actually support the traffic this generated
These are not sites, they’re software. Much like Lemmy. They can support as much traffic as you build them to support.
In an ideal world there would be federal servers set up, and every public servant would be entitled to an account.
E: who is downvoting me for stating facts?