It’s not the EU yet. It’s a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn’t even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn’t mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.Thank god my OS doesn’t care about EU regulation
The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?
Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.
You’re answering the how, but I’m asking for the why. 😅
Financial issues among the general populace due to consolidation of wealth > oligarchs create propaganda that brown people are to blame > uneducated masses vote for authoritarians with empty promises
It’s the same program human civilisation has know for millenia
Probably
Maybe it’s time to restart some some old Greek traditions and propose a law that anyone proposing chat control - from here on out - gets banished for life from entering European soil ever again.
I am in favour of this proposal.
They were smart, those oiled fish-eating goatfuckers. So maybe yes, that - and also sortition and ostracism.
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Ugh, this shit again…
Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?
Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.
Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.
Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.
Agree
Encryption. Is easy.
Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.
Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they’ll say the same for the EU.
Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don’t start blocking by phone number alone… and hopefully they’ll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.
Also, welcome to Signal!
I think they already dropped the phone number req, not sure thoughNo, still required. However, you can have a username of sorts to give to people and block finding you by phone number in the platform.
Ah, that’s what I was thinking of then
Welcome to earth, Everybody Sucks Here.
time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff
Let us know when it’s ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.
STASI enters the chat.
Their kind never leaves the chat, it’s a professional habit
Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.
That’s due to the limitation at the time.
They won’t.
If you’re a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won’t.
It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.
Some keep trying. That’s how democracy and politics works in general.
Many people in the US thought “He won’t”
So, call your representatives.
I agree that calling representatives can always be a good idea. But you cant compare the US and the EU.
There is no “he”, there is no president. No single person can run nor ruin it.
It’s simply not as fragile, but again, always let your voice be heard like you suggest. Just in case.
Yeah. “EU wants this, EU wants that” - bullshit, the EU has no will of its own. A set of politicians within the EU, on the other hand.
The EU also does not have a president like you know from countries. There is no supreme leader, and laws are made with every member state involved.
Nah, a logical OR in their favor is not how democracy should work.
With SKG going as well as it is, wouldn’t an ECI on chat control be in order?
The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.
So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then…
So Canada?
(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they’ve come a long way in the last few decades.)
A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.
As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance
Oh ffs… my best VPN server is in Canada lol
I’d almost say lol, get a VPS in China.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they have zero say over what I do, only what they do. China could demand and scream and bitch all they want over an encrypted set of programs and you’d never have to care, move to another domain and provider and copy-paste. Lock it down, only use it with encryption and let the wolves huff and puff until they’re blue in the face.
It’s more about the latency since it’s right over the border (<30ms). It’s also a full 10Gbps so I can let family/friends use it and don’t have to worry if a few of them are pulling the full 1Gbps from home connection. Doubt I’m gonna be able to match both of those with a Chinese VPS :/
Honestly looking at Mexican datacenters right now. Some are basically the same distance, just in the opposite direction lol
Mexico actually sounds kinda brilliant, but who seems important. OVH has servers in Mexico, but I can imagine some hosters would get the Feds on the line and go “sure, here’s his data”.
That’s true, ICE & Co. are also all over Mexico right now because of the cartels. The whole border lock down and immigrant round-up thing is only half of their current force. And one of the big things they’ve been doing down there is monitoring/tapping their communication networks.
So yeah, never mind, probably not a good idea. If it was just for torrenting or something it’s probably fine, but beyond that I wouldn’t push it.
or run one by yourself?
…run a country by myself? I suppose it’s possible.
Where do I apply for citizenship? Non-resident citizen, as I still need to work to survive 😕
