Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he’ll win.

  • 64bitrowlet@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I agree that windows should not stop supporting previous versions of windows. Especially when going from windows 10 to 11 wasn’t at all that big of a change. They very easily could have waited longer before making windows 11 the standard or even windows 11 period because it was not that big of a change.

    Unfortunately they did not do anything illegal in my opinion but we’ll have to see how this plays out I guess.

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      14 hours ago

      The issue isn’t so much about the actual OS change, as it is about their dumb forced requirement of a TPM. A lot of perfectly fine PC’s don’t have one or don’t have it enabled, as it can cause headaches. If they dropped that requirement, a lot fewer people would care about the switch.

      I’ve got an ROG B550E motherboard in my PC, built in July 2021. It’s perfectly fine, perfectly capable. Big ‘ole 3090 in it, plenty of ram… I have zero need to upgrade right now.

      It has a firmware TPM option, but that involves doing stuff like updating the bios, configuring some stuff and runs the risk of potentially breaking something. Now, I’m willing to give that a go if push comes to shove, but your average consumer just doesn’t want to deal with that hassle.

      Which means that a lot of folks are going to be running an unsupported OS or buying new PC’s when the old ones are still more than capable. You can guess what I think will happen…

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        14 hours ago

        Ah that makes sense. I didn’t know what TPM was until today. Surprised that wasn’t in the details in the new article to be honest. Or maybe it was but because I didn’t know what TPM is I didn’t make sense of it.

        Microsoft Windows is going to face a challenge in the future with Linux because eventually it will be a bigger thing than Windows and if Windows is unable to change their model Microsoft will not be able to do anything about it. Hence why when Microsoft over a decade ago was faced with the challenge that they were a monopoly and instead of them giving half their stock to Linux, they gave it to Apple so that Apple would compete with Microsoft and they knew they had beaten them once in competition and they can more than easily do it again. Where as with Linux it would be too hard. Especially with the open source capabilities Linux has making it very hard to compete with once it gets too big.

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          12 hours ago

          If I can’t get my PC on 11 without hassle, I’m likely to switch to Linux anyway. I’ve beenhearing great things about Linux Mint for gaming. And I’ve owned a Steam Deck since release, so gaming on a Linux system really doesn’t scare me anymore.

          And with the current trend of people wanting to take a but more control back from big tech, Microsoft very well might permanently lose customers to Linux. And once they make that switch, they’re not likely to switch back.

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          1 day ago

          Can you tell me more about what secure boot does in this correct? (Assuming this isn’t a joke)

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            If you don’t enable SecureBoot then you can’t install Win 11.

            As a bonus, you won’t be able to install the latest Call of Duty or Battlefield titles either.

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              Call of Battle and Duty Field?! And I thought not installing Win11 was a great experience! I can’t wait to not buy and not play both of those games!

              Thanks SecureBoot!

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              Except you technically can. Windows 11 registry allows for installation without secure boot and its called after the upgrade process, thats what things like rufus patch to allow it.
              Now idk if secure boot has to be enabled for windows 10 to consider it upgrade ready, but its technically all in there

            • Hobo@lemmy.world
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              1 day ago

              Okay but you should enable secure boot on any device you want to keep any level of private data on. It’s trivial to break into a device that doesn’t have it enabled if you can physically access it. Laptops especially should have secure boot enabled.

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                1 day ago

                Yeah, but I might need to break into it to access it, e.g. if hardware dies, or Windows has a fit and breaks something.

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                    You can work around it in both cases. SecureBoot will only prevent you from running non-signed boot loaders. If that breaks then you just turn off SecureBoot while you work on the issue (assuming SecureBoot failing isn’t due to a compromised boot loader) and the machine will boot normally minus any data stored in the TPM such as the encryption key. For the encryption key, this is something you are supposed to keep a copy of outside the TPM for scenarios like this. On Windows consumer PCs, this is stored in your Microsoft account or the place you specify when enabling it. For Azure or AD-joined PC’s this can be stored in Azure or AD.

                    The only ways SecureBoot and encryption will burn you are if there is data stored in the TPM that you don’t have a backup of or way of re-creating, or if the encryption headers on the drive are lost. That said, if you aren’t using a TPM some Windows features will break regardless and if the drive is so messed up that the encryption headers are lost then you’re probably back to backups anyway.

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                The thing is on desktop pcs… If someone got physical access to it you don’t want to… You got way bigger issues haha

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                  I’d argue that you now have two major issues. Someone breaking into a house and stealing a desktop isn’t unheard of. Full disk encryption with secure boot deployed will save you the headache of also having your identity/bank account/cc info stolen a few days later.

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        I mean I would rather use linux if I could get away with it. Unfortunately I have a lot of engineering programs on my pc that I know for a fact would definitely not run on linux which sucks I guess since I am stuck with windows. I thought about dual booting my pc but then immediately realized that is problematic XD.

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          You can try to put the engineering programs in dedicated snapshotted windows VMs and basically time-capsule them as a working tool forever that never changes and works on any machine.

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            Your right but that would have massive performance issues. I could definitely do that and that is not a bad idea but I also have a steam deck now for most linux things I do but yes you are right.

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          1 day ago

          You can dual boot using separate drives. This has worked for me without any issues and I routinely use solidworks.

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            Stupid question. How did you do that without having the drives interfere with windows? When I have done that it massively screw up my windows boot somehow and it made everything weird. Basically I had to uninstall it because it was massively grating on my nerves what it was doing to my os. Basically it changed the time and date to a few decades in the future and I could not get around to fixing it. It also caused issues where I couldn’t access certain sites online because of the issues I was having with my pc and the fact the date was so far in the future. Thanks!

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              17 hours ago

              I don’t exactly know how the drivers didn’t interfere as I have never done any specific fixes to it. In windows I’ve ran some debloating scripts but I don’t know if that’s the reason, as it seems more deeply rooted.

              I have always dual booted from separate drives since I started using linux. I used Ubuntu, arch and finally settled on fedora. In conclusion, dual booting has never been a problem for me.