• JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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    7 days ago

    Our president is fucking children, and you’re telling me I gotta verify my date of birth to run Linux, in the name of “Protecting the Children”?

    Get the fuck outta here.

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    You guys are asking the wrong questions.

    How is Linux going to do this? There’s no server for the os to send the information to report the age of its users, no way of forcing its user base to comply and no single person or entity to fine, arrest or otherwise force into compliance.

    They made a law they cannot enforce.

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    Since people aren’t reading the article and the headline is misleading. The law requires:

    • The OS ask the user their date of birth on account creation (kinda like the Steam date of birth prompts)
    • The OS provide an API that returns which of four age brackets the user fits in
    • Companies notified by the OS that the user is under age may be liable

    It was explicitly written by the authors not to mandate ID or facial recognition checks. You can lie about your date of birth. This basically creates a standard set of parental controls for parents configuring kids devices.

    I think that this might actually help with the whole discord facial recognition issue in places other than the UK by allowing them to offload the issue to parents setting up devices rather than collecting kids biometrics.

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    That would be a completely unworkable law since devices may not even have internet connectivity, or a user interface. And even if they did, it would have a chilling effect on software development in California.

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    No biggie. I got ready for this in minutes after hearing about it.

    #!/usr/bin/env fish
    read -P "Are you old enough?  (yes/no)  " input
    if test "$input" = "yes" -o "$input" = "Yes"
    echo "Proceeding..."
    else
    echo "You are not old enough.  Exiting." 
    exit 1
    end
    

    … What? … Why are you all looking at me like that?

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    No doubt in response to Europe making its choice for software open source. Expect targeted attacks on FOSS to increase

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    Even if they could enforce it which I highly doubt, this law is clearly a “Fuck you and your free software”.

    Like if a “too young” user have the skills to update the OS to change or even remove the age verification, who will be responsible? Yeah I don’t know either, but both will be bad.

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    “Age verification” is a big umbrella. Claiming that merely checking an entered birth date is the equivalent of uploading an ID is disingenuous and just fishing for clicks.

    Yes, there are tangible connections to other concerning privacy violations in this space… but come on. Steam asks you for your birth date before you watch an R18+ game trailer. I’ve been lying on that form for over twenty years, since before I was 18.

    Getting upset over this feels like the beginning of getting your panties twisted over everything. “Oh no, someone pressed a button on a keyboard, that’s how nukes are fired!”

    This feels like a non issue.

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    Simple solution. From now on Linux distros should ship with a big message “NOT FOR USE IN CALIFORNIA”.

    You want to force age verification? No server in all of California will run. Period.

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      Whose age do they want on the server? The admins? Whoever staged it? Lol. Sure. Jan 1 1970.

      Do I need to put my birthdate onto my firewalls?

      Ooh are all enterprise firewalls going to start coming with CISA filters pre-enabled? Gotta protect those kids!

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          Glock is a type of gun.

          A Glock, on its own, is not illegal.

          Lots of aftermarket Glock accessories exist, all of which are legal.

          However, certain combinations of Glock and accessories are not.

          That’s not Glocks problem.

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              Because these scumbag companies are essentially running business like mafia thugs. Every OS is just linux with DRM if you dig deep enough.

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              If the only server OS legally capable of running in CA is Microsoft’s - be it Windows, or their particular spin of Linux - guess who’s gonna sop up all that government contract money?

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                  Wow, I’ve really got to spell it out for you, huh? Azure Linux will not be exempt - Microsoft will add the required routines to it, and if they are the only ones to do so, then they soak up the server market in CA.

                  ETA: I doubt that will wind up being the case as other commercial vendors will not want to be left behind, but we were discussing the theoretics.

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        “We’re every datacenter in Canada e Mexico and we collectively and politely agreed it’s a good move as well.”

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      Yeah… It says just that in the article. You did read the article, right? I mean you didn’t just read the title and then rush in here to make a comment?

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      Supposedly the age verification thing that’s needed is the equivalent to a porn site verification. Just enter a birthday that’s in the 1800s, and you’re set. This is still a bad direction to go towards though, as it’ll set precedent for future bullshit.

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        Exactly. Today you can enter Jan 1 1800 and it will take it. That’s not the problem.

        The real problem is the precedence it sets. An asinine rule gets passed and companies adhere to it, meaning they are enforcers.

        Tomorrow when laws require real verification, like ID scan then they’ve already agreed to be the gate keeper for said asinine laws. It’s harder to back out at that point.

        It’s all surveillance and it should be stopped.

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        There is nothing that’s “needed”. Its an OS not some demonic construct. It should also be noted that teens will be impacted in it as well - all minors. All this age gating, discriminatory behaviour is eating us alive. Age verification should not exist at all.